Reply With QuoteMarcus, you if you honestly want Kidd and don't think we have more important issues to address with our free cap space, then you just have no clue about basketball and I will lump you in the same category as usty.
That's ok. A Spurs fan once told me that in order for a player to be considered great he cannot have any breaks when it comes to defense. I would assume the same applies to Tim Duncan.
Marcus, you if you honestly want Kidd and don't think we have more important issues to address with our free cap space, then you just have no clue about basketball and I will lump you in the same category as usty.
50, lay off the 40s. Spurs cannot afford to pass on great talent for that addresses 'needs' short term.
Marcus, I for one would welcome Kidd as an addition to the Spurs. He is a top 5 superstar in this league and with the Spurs versatility on offense (from playing the halfcourt to playing the transition) Kid would have no problem trying to adapt.The Spurs have proven nothing except that they can win a le with a couple of major injuries to conference rivals and a key missed shot
Kidd is the best point guard in the league, I'm sure he can run AND find a way to thrive in a half court offense.
BUT damn Marcus, I can't believe you just said that. (quoted above.)
I would also support having Jason Kidd here, not as first option before O'Neal and Brand, but I would definitly welcome him.
But saying that Marcus is incredibly stupid and very unexpected. What champion team doesn't have some luck? Saying we won because of that missed shot is like saying the Bull only won because of Jordan's shot. It happened, and every team need luck on its side.
Not stupid I'm just telling it like it is. The Spurs have to make decisions based on where they really stand in the league.
When Will Parker Be Better Than Kidd?
The correct answer is "Nobody knows." Yes, we can make lots of predictions, and someone will think they are hot stuff for being lucky enough to be right.
I don't know. You don't know. The Spurs front office doesn't know. The only thing we know is that Kidd is as good as Kidd, and that is why he is very high on the Spurs list. Duncan, Kidd, and role players is a championship contender for the next 6 years.
I would agree that if Kidd comes, then Parker is likely gone in a year or two. I would prefer Kidd/Manu in the backcourt over Kidd/Parker. I don't see either Parker or Manu happy in a backup role. I don't want Parker to leave, but you can't make omelets without breaking some eggs.
It would be a tremendous gamble not to get Kidd if Jermaine turns down the Spurs and if Brand can't escape the Clippers. The Spurs would be making a big bet that either Parker or Manu will become a bonifide star AND that the Spurs will resign them when their contracts come up.
M121 and spurster summed it up nicely. You get Kidd, but only after exhausting the possiblity of O'Neal or Brand.
Losing Parker will be a tough pill to swallow.
Marcus- As much as other people are dumping on Kidd, you are dumping on Parker.
Yes, he got benched, but yes, he also put the Spurs in the finals.
The Spurs - Tony Parker = #4 seed and a first round loss to the Lakers.
He was a major ingredient to this team. More than Drob, Stephen Jaxson, and Manu.
Nobody gives this kid his due.
I can only hope that if we get Kidd, we give Parker the opportunity to play for someone else.
NCali, I think MB's criticism of Parker is only because many posters on this board tend to overrate the kid, and he's sick of hearing the overrating. I have always though that Parker is a good point guard, who is capable of leading a team to the championship. But the way some of the posters here talk about him, they make Parker out to be some kind of superstar in the making. When in fact he is borderline all star talent, at best. Which is a GOOD thing for the Spurs.
Also, don't look at bringing in Kidd as solely to upgrade the point guard position. See it as bringing in a second SUPERSTAR that is much needed. Whether Parker stays or goes is up to the Spurs, but I wouldn't fault them for picking up Kidd, regardless. The guy makes teams better, that's his MO.
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I can't believe that it took a Laker fan's explanation to make the situation clearer?
Why is that?
That's because I'm a more knowledgeable poster than most of the posters on this board Men In Black. I can look at things from an objective point of view when it concerns the Spurs.
He complains more about people underrating Jason Kidd. Part of that is people overrating Tony Parker.I think MB's criticism of Parker is only because many posters on this board tend to overrate the kid,
But Marcus definitely underrates Tony. I know he does it partly for effect, but sometimes it gets under my skin. Tony is awesome. He schooled all the superstars at his position at least 2-3 times in each series. That is unheralded for a guy his age. I just have a problem with Marcus and others underrating Tony in order to make Jason Kidd look better.
You have your opinion, we have ours. We can talk potential and history and blah blah blah, but it all winds up being opinion.But the way some of the posters here talk about him, they make Parker out to be some kind of superstar in the making. When in fact he is borderline all star talent, at best.
Most definitely. But there are mutliple situations that could arise where the Spurs do not add another superstar and still be much better than they were last year, and possibly better than they would be with kidd minus those new players.The guy makes teams better,
The Superstar people often simplify the situation too much. If we had not won the championship with such a young, talented, and improving core of players, then the situation would be completely different. As it is, we have multiple ways to go because we don't know how good this team can be yet.
Particularly, can Tony, Manu, and Jackson do it again for Timmy?
That's because I'm a more knowledgeable poster than most of the posters on this board Men In Black. I can look at things from an objective point of view when it concerns the Spurs.
Always willing to throw a parade in your own honor.
Quote: "Always willing to throw a parade in your own honor."
Of course. It's fun!
As for Tony Parker, he was outmatched in 3 of the 4 playoff series. Stephon Marbury outplayed him, Steve Nash outplayed him, and Jason Kidd outplayed him. At least by the numbers. Don't act like Tony Parker showed each of those players how to play basketball. Now does Tony have to be better than those player in order for the Spurs to be successful? No. Having a solid point guard is more than adequate when you have a stud like Tim Duncan on your team. And Tony does have a good professional future ahead of him. It's just that I'm willing and able to see Tony Parker for what he is actually capable of bringing to the table.
Overall, you are right about Stephon and Jason.
But Tony outplayed Stephon in 2 games.
Tony outplayed Nash and NVE for 2-3 games.
Tony outplayed Kidd for 3 games (the first 3).
If you don't think that record is as impressive as I do, then we can't really have much of a discussion.
Agreed.
So, what's now, Adidas ? We should bow in front of your existence in this board ?That's because I'm a more knowledgeable poster than most of the posters on this board Men In Black. I can look at things from an objective point of view when it concerns the Spurs.
One arrogant PUNK, huh !
TP might not be developed into an establised SUPERSTAR PG in the level of Kidd ( especially in his playmaking and allaroundness game ), but a Starbury level isn't out of question. And that's an "IMHO" thing. As much credible as your opinion as a "MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE POSTER" in the forum !
I haven't dumped on Parker I've told it like it is. You guys are ready to run away a great player who wants to play in San Antonio for him. You guys are the ones who have built up TonyP to be the second coming, not me. Parker can leave the Spurs high and dry in 3 years. Counting on him to be the second star the Spurs need is not a certainty...it is a hope. The problem with a lot of you is you tend to take your hopes as the Gospel Truth when it comes to Spurs players.
exactly.
And some of us aren't dumping on Kidd when we tell it like it is. Namely, that Kidd cannot shoot, has trouble defending fast point guards, and has shown an inability to execute as well in half-court sets as he does in the open court.I haven't dumped on Parker I've told it like it is. -Marcus Bryant
Those inadequacies are going to become even bigger liabilities as Kidd gets older. When Tim is still in his prime in three years, and Kidd's game has declined, how do you think Tim will like it then? Where is your foresight, Marcus?
Second coming? Nobody here has claimed that. It's just a good thing that you weren't in charge of Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady after they had played just two years in the league:You guys are ready to run away a great player who wants to play in San Antonio for him. You guys are the ones who have built up TonyP to be the second coming, not me. -Marcus Bryant
Kobe Bryant - .428 FG, .341 3PT, 15.4 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 2.5 AST
Tracy McGrady - .436 FG, .229 3PT, 9.3 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 2.3 AST
Tony Parker - .464 FG, .337 3PT, 15.5 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 5.3 AST
People doubted Kobe and McGrady, much like some people doubt Parker now. All three skipped college to come to the NBA, and most knowledgeable fans realized that it would take young guys like Kobe and McGrady longer to develop. Right now, the Lakers are glad they endured Kobe's growing pains, and Toronto is kicking themselves for letting McGrady get away.
Parker is developing at a rapid rate, and has a lot of growth left in him. Kobe and McGrady have greatly improved on their second-year numbers, and Parker will too.
And we could sign Jason Kidd to a max deal and he could pull a Grant Hill on us and stay injured every year. Nobody is making any guarantees about Parker, but most of us agree that his future is extremely bright - definitely worth the "gamble."Parker can leave the Spurs high and dry in 3 years. -Marcus Bryant
Besides, Parker has said that he wants to be a Spur, and has worked his butt off to improve his game. What more could you ask at this point?
And you are so desperate to sign a "name" like Kidd this summer that you are afraid to trust Parker. The evidence shows that Parker has improved a great deal, and it suggests that he will continue to improve at a similar pace. Look at other point guards in the league, and how it took them a few years to develop into the players they are today. They didn't even skip all four years of college like Parker did.Counting on him to be the second star the Spurs need is not a certainty...it is a hope. The problem with a lot of you is you tend to take your hopes as the Gospel Truth when it comes to Spurs players. -Marcus Bryant
I think Kidd is one of the best PG's in the league, but I don't think he is the best PG for our needs and our style of play. Why can't you be equally objective about Parker, Marcus.
Nice attempt Admiral. Tim Duncan could also "pull a Grant Hill." Again you try to tear down a great player and sell us on what Parker could be some day. Duncan doesn't have time to wait and neither do I. There's a reason Kidd has that "name." It's because he has the game. Certainly a man with your foresight is wasting his talents trying to sell us here on what Parker will be in 2007.
Parker greater then kidd
Parker surpassed Kid.
Parker is a much better player than Kidd.
Manu stans.
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