Reply With QuoteKidd will improve the franchise for 2-3 years max, then he is wasting our cap space. O'Neal is helping us for 8-10 years.
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Kidd will improve the franchise for 2-3 years max, then he is wasting our cap space. O'Neal is helping us for 8-10 years.
I think that we do not need Kidd, and I know that both Kerr and Joel Myers (just for a couple of other folks) also think the same way.
You need to shore up your weakness. The Spurs are a defensive team first. In losing David we lose a part of that defensive nature.
Getting Kidd will not do that for us.
Let us spend the money wisely. Spending that much money for someone whom his position is already covered makes no sense.
I know that some talk about both of them playing at the same time but I do not think that is a wise move.
I say go after a big. Brand would be nice but reports I have heard do not make it seem likely. He is expected to stay there for another year so that he becomes an unrestricted free agent the following year and can go where he wants.
J. O'Neal would be nice but I don't know if he will come. Another option would be Rasho Nesterovic, Whatever you do then you can pop for a solid SF. I think that would set us up very nicely.
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If a team is adding ANOTHER ALL-NBA Defensive 1st Teamer, don't we gain more of a defensive nature?You need to shore up your weakness. The Spurs are a defensive team first. In losing David we lose a part of that defensive nature.
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Not necessarily. You might in the front court, but that would be at the sacrifice of the back court. At least IMO. With the loss of David I think you need to gain some of that back.
pfc, I already lit you up on this in another thread. You pass on Kidd to sign Rasho and you end up with the ability to pay Manu about $500K more than the exception. You still have the $815K qual offer to Jax to allow the Spurs to sign him up to the MCX (by going over the cap) also, so Jax prob isn't going anywhere.we lose 12.5 million in cap space. we lose a being able to pay a better big. we lose Manu or TPark or Sjax (or 2 of the three).
Not in the slightest. You never stop improving. Look at what Kuphack has gotten the Lakers into when he decided to just stick with a team that won the year before. Look at what happened to the Spurs when they were only able to replace a good player retiring with a couple of scrubs in 2000. They were a 5-seed until the last day and really had no shot at the repeat even if Duncan doesn't get hurt in Sac.Does anyone's stance on Kidd (or free agents in general) change if the Spurs win the Championship THIS season??
lit me up? give me a break. you thought CKaman is a scrub and could get picked with our first round pick and that Scola will get 2 million...
I know that I don't have enought information to make a decision -- knowing what Duncan wants is the most important thing and also how players work on their game (TP, SJAX and Manu).. I'm having fun speculating. You seem to think that you know basketball better than everyone else. I'm not even arguing for what I want just that Kidd isn't a no brainer, lot's of smart basketball savy people think it's the wrong move.
What do you think Scola signs for then? His buyout is supposed to be much larger than Manu's, and Gino got $1.4. You admitted you couldn't get Rasho for $5 million, so lets say he costs $6 and Scola $1. Same boat - you can pay Manu an extra $500K after adding your scrub center Kaman.
DUDE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MY PLAN... I'm talking about your insistance that JKidd is a no brainer move, people know your arguements and still disagree. I think JKidd is the wrong move, I know basketball too -- those things aren't mutually exclusive...
So is your alternative to sign no one, trade for Chris Kaman, and save $7 million for Manu?
My plan (if we win the le) is to try to trade up to get Kaman for a decent overpaid veteran big expiring contract. Sign another veteran big for under 5 million. Now you have money in 2004... what you do with your space in 2004 you wait on. If manu plays great and earns more than the MLE you can afford it. If he doesn't you can spend it else where...
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What decent overpaid veteran big do the Spurs have come July 1? Baseline, elighten us and post who the Spurs have under contract already for next year including option players.My plan (if we win the le) is to try to trade up to get Kaman for a decent overpaid veteran big expiring contract. Sign another veteran big for under 5 million. Now you have money in 2004... what you do with your space in 2004 you wait on. If manu plays great and earns more than the MLE you can afford it. If he doesn't you can spend it else where...
I was under the impression that the only bigs we'll have come July 1 will be Tim at an option & Malik.
For 2003-4 the Spurs have Malik, Bruce, Manu, and TP locked down. Duncan has an option.
I really hate that idea because Manu is nowhere close to an MCX player right now, and isn't worth sacrificing more than $9 million worth of capspace on.
So looking at Baseline's previous post,it concurs with my thoughts. So what decent overpaid big with an expiring contract is out there pfc to use in a trade to go up and get Kaman?
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By the time his contract is up, I bet A LOT of teams would be willing to throw the MCX at him. He's a good player right now, but he will make a big jump next season.I really hate that idea because Manu is nowhere close to an MCX player right now
It would be wise to prepare for him to get around the MCX.
Manu will get money when he is a free agent. I hope we give him that money.
I made a thread about it, regardless it would be a long shot anyway. I think we are in agreement on one thing -- Pop and RC are going to make the decision without consulting us. I think there are three main positions shaping up:So looking at Baseline's previous post,it concurs with my thoughts. So what decent overpaid big with an expiring contract is out there pfc to use in a trade to go up and get Kaman?
JKidd, max type big (O'Neal, Brand) or best available Big (Miller, Rasho) + other stud, and finally stay put (of course some minor signings) and plan how to keep the assembled championship team together (creative ways to put off using capspace for Manu and then for TP)
I happen to be in the last one you in the first. We'll see what happens
THere is no question that Manu will get around five million when he is a free agent.
If you don't think a team like the Lakers wouldn't steal him from us in a heart beat then you are mistaken.
A capped out team like the Lakers cannot steal Manu. The Spurs can very easily make Manu a restricted FA and match anything up to the MLE. Only teams with more than MLE money can try to nab Manu.THere is no question that Manu will get around five million when he is a free agent.
If you don't think a team like the Lakers wouldn't steal him from us in a heart beat then you are mistaken.
Yeah I'm just saying that because someone said that Manu wasn't even going to get midlevel money ... the Lakers would give that to him in a heart beat.
Teams will increase the price for the Spurs to re-sign Manu, especially if the Spurs are coming off a Championship2
See: George, Devean
After struggling for a long time, it looks like Kidd is picking it back up again.
Last five games:
21.0 PPG
9.8 APG
7.8 RPG
.448 FG%
.364 3P%
.882 FT%
Where do people stand now that the Spurs have won ten in a row?
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Kidd: 'As a team, we had no effort at all'
ATLANTA (AP) -- With Glenn Robinson hobbled by a strained Achilles' tendon, Ira Newble never knows when he might be inserted into the lineup.
He made the most of another chance Wednesday night.
Newble hit a go-ahead 3-pointer with 1:38 left and the Atlanta Hawks held off a furious rally to beat the New Jersey Nets 97-92 Wednesday night.
"I don't find out if I'm starting or not until just before the game," said Newble, who had a season-high 16 points. "Glenn comes in to work on his injury, and then he decides if he can go.
"He's such an offensive weapon, when he's not in the lineup everybody has to step up. I just took my chances when they came and made some shots."
Shareef Abdur-Rahim added another 3 late in the game to extend the margin to six, and after Jason Kidd made a layup on the other end, Atlanta's Dion Glover made a free throw for the final margin.
Jason Terry scored 24 points for the Hawks, and Abdur-Rahim added 18 points and 15 rebounds. The Hawks improved to 6-3 without Robinson.
"We've played some good basketball," Atlanta coach Terry Stotts. "I think it's a credit to the guys that when they get the extra minutes, they play well and play together."
Kidd had his fourth triple-double of the season, totaling 23 points, 12 assists and 11 rebounds. The Nets lost for only the second time in eight games, but are just 16-23 on the road.
With Detroit's overtime victory over Chicago, New Jersey is tied for the top spot in the Eastern Conference with the Pistons.
"As a team, we had no effort at all," Kidd said. "We let our golden opportunity get away from us. I'm not surprised, just disappointed, considering what was at stake."
Newble, an improving shooter from long range who's made 35 percent this year, was wide open in the corner with the score tied and took a pass from Glover. Just as he shot, Atlanta guard Jermaine Jackson, sitting on the bench, stood up and raised both arms in the air to signal the shot was good.
It swished through to give the Hawks a 93-90 lead.
"I have been working hard on my shot, but you know what, it's mostly about confidence," Newble said. "The corner is my favorite spot, anyway, so I was looking forward to that shot."
Later, when Abdur-Rahim missed two free throws, Newble tipped the second miss back out, allowing Atlanta to keep possession. Terry then drove down the lane with the shot clock winding down, then shoveled the ball to Abdur-Rahim, who was all alone behind the line.
He made his only attempt from beyond the arc, and the Hawks had their third victory in four games.
"I had an idea what Jason was going to do, and I was just ready for the pass," Abdur-Rahim said. "I was still mad about missing both those free throws, so I had to get over it and make that shot."
The Nets trailed by 17 early in the fourth quarter, but used a 14-0 run in a span of little more than two minutes to get back in it. Stotts was forced to call two timeouts during the surge, which started after Kidd put back his own missed 3-pointer.
Kidd had seven of the points during the run, and Rodney Rogers had a jumper and a 3-pointer.
"Some nights -- and this was one of those nights -- I have nobody running with me," Kidd said. "That's my game, to have somebody running with me. That didn't happen until the fourth quarter."
New Jersey eventually tied it at 87 on a 3-pointer by Kerry Kittles, setting up the finish.
"I think it's tough to win a game when you don't come out to play," Nets coach Byron Scott said. "That's the bottom line. We had one guy that understood what this game meant and how important this game was, and that was (Kidd).
"We didn't even show up until the fourth quarter."
Glover scored 18 points for Atlanta and Theo Ratliff had 13.
Wow that is a harsh statement:shock"As a team, we had no effort at all," Kidd said. "We let our golden opportunity get away from us. I'm not surprised, just disappointed, considering what was at stake."
I bet Pop could get him if he wanted him.
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