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what PB and his cohorts really want is an echo chamber.
And there you go. People talking politics in ST, but you don’t want Pop talking about it.
what PB and his cohorts really want is an echo chamber.
It's nice to know people are working hard to address a historical interpretation of a person that lived on the earth over 500 years ago. Especially because the holiday has meant so much to Americans for years. I mean, who doesn't like a day off? All the explorers of that age were cruel to the indigenous people, just like the indigenous people were cruel to each other. It just seems like a waste of time to go back 500 years when there are people being cruel to each other today that is more relevant to spend energy on.
this pretty much sums up why exstatic (and pop) have such valid points.
CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS
I generally don't disagree with most of Pop’s views and have no problem with him using the platform he earned to speak out for things he is passionate about.
I hope he enjoys his lame duck session, adds some future value to the franchise on the way out and follows these passions in his next stage because his passion for winning has been blurred these last 5 years, not necessarily by his politics but his activism for the greater good.
Do you think Pop would criticize the Chinese government the way he criticizes Christopher Columbus?
Facepalm.
As invested into Politics as Pop seems to want to be ,one would think he would have many things to say about China, that's something that would be nice to hear from him for once.... ya I'm not going to hold my breath on that 1.
At the brainwashed closet ists/ics pretending to conflate human rights with politics and deflect from this country's ugly past/present by acting as if what's going on China mitigates that or that Pop should be more concerned with halfway across the world than his own disgusting, infested backyard.
not only do they use red herrings, they also love false equivalencies.
It was Columbus Day, not Mao Day dummy.
Uh Columbus wasn’t in our country.
But it’s funny how people here are worried about the 1500s when human rights violations in China are as bad or worse. And sadly, Pop has a soapbox to speak out about China but for some reason he only has the balls to go over someone that dies 500 years ago.
It’s a show of ignorance to pretend what goes on in China has no impact on us. Our refusal to stand against China weakens our influence. China tells us how to make l our movies and what our athletes can say.
We are so interconnected that an Asian Flu, a Greek default, or a Russian invasion of Ukraine impacts all of us. To defend Pop by pretending we live in a vacuum or that we have adopted a far right version of American isolationism is a laughable inconsistency.
Just admit Pop is a low dollar protestor. He won’t speak out against anything that brings real consequences. I’ll respect him when he voices support for Hong Kong.
It was Columbus Day, not Mao Day dummy.
Sorry where was Pop when Morey needed support for his tweet. I bet “dummies” like you and Pop wait all year to bring up the grievances of the 1500s every Columbus Day. And yet our post office is still closed on that day. But good work focusing on the 1500s instead of today.
Are you ranking atrocities? There's no rule that you only get to worry about one atrocity at a time. And someone worried about 1500s is probably worried about Uyghurs too and for the same reasons. Pop actually has spoken out on China, in 2019- was that 500 years ago?
"And it wasn't easy for him [Adam Silver] to say," Popovich said. "He said that in an environment fraught with possible economic peril. But he sided with the principles that we all hold dearly, or most of us did until the last three years. So I'm thrilled with what he said."
- Gregg Popovich, the NBA's longest-tenured coach, lauded NBA Commissioner Adam Silver on Tuesday for his stance supporting freedom of speech amid the ongoing rift with China.
Popovich said he recognized that Silver is in a difficult situation following the Chinese dismay over a tweet posted last week by Houston general manager Daryl Morey that showed support for anti-government protesters in Hong Kong.
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No one was trying to glorify Mao on Monday, dummy.
Hmm wonder what (direct quote) "PRINCIPLES WE ALL HOLD DEARLY" that coach Pop is speaking out against China about in 2019? The direct quote the was done in the face of financial consequences but he said it anyway in a pretty "ballsy" move?
The quote was from the Hong Kong cir stances and they bridge to the Uyghur muslim issue imo. Same branches of the brutality tree. The principles of not having sovereignty forcefully taken. Communications surveilled and HK activists disappearing off the streets. Police brutality response to HK protesters.
Extending conceptually to the principles of not being rounded up based on a category you belong to and sent off to prison labor camps, forced sterilization and murder with organ harvesting?
Sounds like coach Pop "had the balls" to speak out against China in 2019 like you falsely claimed he did not. You can't just make up.
Seriously, you call that quote speaking out? In my opinion, quotes like that make someone complicit with the Chinese government propaganda. You either call out their repressive dictatorship for unacceptable violation of human rights or not say anything. If you are going to pass on China altogether and say "well, Silver stands for principles we hold dearly" that's just trying to "say something" that doesn't offend the Chinese government.
Look, I don't blame Pop for being weak on human rights violations anywhere except his own country. Even though our human rights records stacks up well against dictatorships, even though we have our own black eyes. Pop is not the only one to bend to the will of China. And neither is Silver, who also was as careful as possible to not offend the Chinese government. Every American company that does business in China does the same thing. Pop is no weaker than any other company that turns the other way when political prisoners are tortured in China and forced to work in slave labor camps to make Christmas toys for American children at rock bottom prices.
My point is that if you are going to use your platform to bring about real change, you come off as hypocritical when you call out our country for its problems while ignoring and profiting handsomely for your "obedience" to other countries whose human rights violations are 100 times worse. If Pop has the right to use his platform to speak out, then people here and other places have the right to call him out for his hypocrisy.
Yup. Funny how we weren't taught a single bit regarding his atrocities in school, at least speaking for myself. I knew the names of his ships but not a thing about the raping, pillaging, plundering, and murder his crews undertook at his direction, until about 4 years ago. I'm in my 40s.
It's way past time to drop that man's name from any semblance of honor or distinction and place him amongst the cretins of history where he belongs. Yes, he should be taught but the full story must be told.
i hope he'll get into politics but i don't see it happening tbh. i don't think he'd want to get into that ugly world.
i see him doing something more humanitarian-y. i could see him encouraging people to vote but spend more time going to poorer countries and helping to establish / run basketball camps or something.
i used to think he'd for sure get into politics but don't feel that way anymore.
Ha, let's gather the 3rd graders and talk about raping and plundering...I think the point of the holiday is to recognize the western world's discovery of America, not to celebrate the man. Of course, I don't know, but I think that was the emphasis in school, not that he was a boy scout. We celebrate of veterans, but we have soldiers in all the wars that committed rape. If we focused on the totality of the central figures of our holidays, we'd be shocked, whether it's the founding fathers or MLK, you can find plenty of reasons why they should not get their holiday. But we don't celebrate the totality of their lives, we celebrate the accomplishments that helped change history.
How many natives did MLK enslave?
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