Future Elite Role Player
Future Star
Yeah, it isn’t great athleticism at all when you’re a 6’8” player who can keep up with guards and hold your own against bigs.
He seems like a very good athlete to me. Or are we only talking about vertical leaping? I mean, he’s finishing alley oops, blocking Gobert at the rim, moving fluidly…seems good to me.
Elite role player seems more likely.
Lots of comps thrown around, but my thought is will he be better than Scottie Barnes? A lot of similarities, generally speaking.
For now I will reserve the Superstar category because of his limited scoring ability. But Jason Kidd was a terrible shooter as well, but was able to improve on that. And like Jason Kidd, Sochan is a high bball IQ player, able to read plays developing and reacting defensively on time. For now, I will say Bobo-type Elite role player if he continuous to work as a facilitator. Bobo was an integral part of the Beautiful Game, of which maybe none would've happened if Boris was not here. His ability to see the whole court, the extra passes, the range. It’s still a lot of work for Sochan to replicate the beloved ex-Spur, but I don’t doubt he could as he embraces challenges.
Note, people should stop the Rodman comparison. Sochan might have the same hairstyle, and could get into people's skin with his defense, but Rodman was a rebounding machine, which I don’t see Sochan is. Feisty defender he is.
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I love defense as much as the next guy. But if I'm going to pick a player, whether in draft or at the park, I'd pick the baller first before defense. Grizzlies made the big mistake on Thabeet. Where is he now? I understand with Sochan because he was a pick-of-need. We already had DJM (at that time), Keldon, Vassell, but missing a big defensive hole at 4, plus Sochan's other intangibles. I don't know of any team, for what we know now, who would pass on Curry for Gobert. But maybe they do that in the NFL?
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The challenge with the direct Bobo comp is that Bobo started as a point guard and through indulgences in fine cuisine his BMI expanded and he changed positions. Sochan will still have to learn to be a point guard, whereas Bobo learned to be a power forward.
Kawhi’s max vert was 28”. You don’t have to be a great athlete to be a great player. This far into his rookie season, Kawhi looked like a slightly better version of Bowen, and he was coming off the bench.
If he ever learns to hit open 3’s, he’s gonna be a real problem.
The tools are there for elite role player, but his shooting and health will ultimately decide if he becomes a legit star. I like what I see so far. In the short term I’d like him to focus on grabbing boards better. He can rebuild his shot in the off-season
Thabeet flunked because he was bad all around. As for Sochan, we didn't pass on any offensive wizard to get him, in any case he was a pick-of-need over other not better picks-of-not-need. Good enough for me.I love defense as much as the next guy. But if I'm going to pick a player, whether in draft or at the park, I'd pick the baller first before defense. Grizzlies made the big mistake on Thabeet. Where is he now? I understand with Sochan because he was a pick-of-need. We already had DJM (at that time), Keldon, Vassell, but missing a big defensive hole at 4, plus Sochan's other intangibles. I don't know of any team, for what we know now, who would pass on Curry for Gobert. But maybe they do that in the NFL?
Way too early to tell. People comparing him to Draymond are out of their minds. Dray can legitimately guard positions 1-5 at an elite level. Sochan is a pretty good perimeter defender, but needs a lot of work in all other aspects of defense.
On offense, he’s still pretty bad. But, he’sa 19 year old rookie, so that’s to be expected. Hopefully he turns out to be really good.
One thing from watching our last draft picks growth is big jump from rookie to there third year ie; Keldon, Vassell. So far he is playing pretty good if he follows the above players growth he definitely has the possibility of being special. One thing that stood out with all three picks is that they all 3 have a high work ethic and genuine Love for the Game.
I totally get Sochan’s pick. That was a reply on a reply from “will pick 1st overall…It’s way easier to turn an elite defender into a star on offense than the other way around.” I said I’d pick a baller for overall pick especially if there’s a player who has more complete game. Kawhi was not expected to develop a ridiculous offensive game. You just don’t make that big gamble on a #1 overall pick, that’s all.
Yeah can’t even hate last draft easily a “A” we finally got a true PF that has definite upside will see if he lives up to his potential but very happy with pick
Bruh PF/PG
He is already a decent role player for the team, and only after like 15 games. Give him time. I see he improving even more as the season extends into next year. Props to the front office for drafting him.
Surely he'll be at least 2nd team all rookie team if not first team. Who know how good he'll be after a year of experience.
Leonard first games he had a dependable jumper. He also played a key role for a le contending team. He was a plus rebounder for his position from the get go. Sochan is such a different player. He reminds me of a stronger and faster Kyle Anderson.
Elite Role Player. He won't be a star and he could even the next "Triple Single" (but great advanced stats) guy but he'll be good complimentary player in a contending team (hopefully it'll be the Spurs).
Jeremy and Jakob developing some good PnR action. Once Sochan gets better hitting mismatches there he's going to be trouble.
Still hesitating for that poll tbh.
I don't wanna embarass myself...
Are you really this pathetic and is your life really this sad?
Especially after I pointed out actual arguments in Castle topic for like dozenth time which you refused to reply to?
Instead you ghosted from there and went on hours upon hours of searching to find a bad take of mine. All the way up to November 2022.
You're a degenerate, tbh. Like I'm legit concerned that you need a psychological diagnosis.
His defense was ridiculous for a rookie, but hasn't improved much since. Still great, but Pop ruined him with point guard assignments where he had no chance in most schemes.His defense is just ridiculous for a rookie. If nothing goes wrong, he'll easily be the best defender in the league in 3 to 5 years.
Still has the potential to be one of the best (wing/perimeter) defenders in the league.
And he proved he can't run the point.I don't really watch college or bother with all the potential picks we don't get, so his playmaking really surprised me. If he's this good so early on, he can become a legit secondary ballhandler.
I don't think he'll ever run the point, but I'd like to be surprised.
Playmaking stagnated, didn't improve much.
That's a bad one, but Chet was redshirted and that's a weak class.Call me biased, but after watching all these kids so far, if I had to do a redraft I'd even take him as the first pick.
Still arguably a top5 pick from players picked in the lottery and who did well early on.
I'll never change my take on this. Still true, name someone who was a bad perimeter defender and developed into an elite one?It's way easier to turn an elite defender into a star on offense than the other way around. Nephew and Jimmy being the best examples.
How many elite scorers developed into elite defenders later on?
Obviously doesn't mean everyone lacking offensive game will develop it.
Jeremy's entire problem is that he's more or less the same player he was as a rookie. Didn't improve anything other than his FT form.
And a lot of it is on Pop.
Sometimes with fundamentally flawed players who simply must develop certain aspects of the game, you don't let them be themselves, but you need to force them to do it.
That's why Castle's awful 3pt percentages are way better than Jeremy straight up not shooting unless he really has to.
He showed great promise from the first game, but didn't develop. Who's to blame, you decide, but he still has time.
Other than draft position prediction, my post isn't that outrageously bad.
As for ghosting me in Castle's topic after getting embarrassed over and over again by many users, you really shouldn't have done this.
If this is the road you decided to take, better be prepared for me to pull all the you spew in your 5000 posts when I get the time.
I actually thought you're a good poster, but you're another one from wide assortiment of degenerates who loves playing dumb when things don't go his way.
ing pussy, actually one of the biggest ones I've seen in my lifetime on the internet.
But since you're in for war, you picked the wrong guy to take on.
LeBowen, I’ll leave you with a quote from Mark Twain.
Don’t let him waste your time. You won’t convince him of anything. He’ll just hare off in another direction, and waste more of your time. It’s like the movie War Games, when Joshua had his realization. The best move is not to play the game.Never Argue With Stupid People. They Will Drag You Down To Their Level And Beat You With Experience.
Everyone is allowed to be wrong (I definitely have been), but I just wish we could enjoy looking back at poorly aged takes with some humility and just enjoy them for the comedic value they provide. No one here is ever going to get paid for their basketball opinions, we're all just fans with a take. No need to take anything personally.
With that said... half the people who voted think he's a future star, which is hilarious to me. This guy needs a big season to prove he's worth of a starting role going forward or if he's destined to just be an MLE-level rotation player.
The thing I like with Jeremy is his willingness to learn and try new things. I hopeful that something good will come out from there. Also he has that y at ude and will not backdown on anyone. This reminds me of Cassell. He was a rookie then and playing against Barkeley, who was playing with a sore leg. Both jumped for a 50/50 possession, and Cassell leaned on Barkeley’ going up, with Barkeley grimacing. I thought then, the kid got a lot of guts.
the takes in this thread
why didnt OP include a neither option? as if these are the only two paths for Sochan
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