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    You said this:


    Sure seems like swapping Jordan and Lebron out for years would be a good measurement.
    The only thing i was saying is that, the Cleveland 2016 championship team is not as bad, as some people think. I've seen lots of articles and people saying that, LeBron won a ring with no help, which is just not true.

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    Davis sat the game?

    yah that's pretty bad as a teammate

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    Weird how almost nobody cared about this record. Is it bc Kareem held it and nobody gives a flip about him? Is it bc Lebron is annoying? I don’t know. But Aaron Judge got way more play for breaking the AL home run record than Lebron actually breaking a real record
    Better comparison would be Ovechkin chasing Gretzky

    I think the League currently being on scoring steroids might be why. People are celebrating Lebron more than the record because it's kinda assumed it will fall sooner than later.

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    He stood up for black people though. Unlike jordan, who pitted blacks against one another and made billions out of Chinese slave labour.
    While sucking chinese

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    Jordan's a coon, but that's fake news

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    I don't really care about the scoring record. I am more interesting in their season record.

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    You ever see Willie D from the Geto Boys diss Jordan?



    Though I still think his best diss track against a coon was the one he did about Rodney King.
    Last edited by baseline bum; 02-09-2023 at 12:57 AM.

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    Putting aside the probable extended PPD usage it is still an * record as he skipped 4 years of college while Kareem was scoring at UCLA.

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    Kareem set his scoring record in 1560 NBA games. LeBron broke it in 1410 NBA games. That’s nearly 2 full season’s worth of games.

    You can perceive LeBron breaking the scoring record any way you’d like. But using the Kareem went to college and LeBron didn’t argument is pretty weak when you compare how many actual NBA games played by each. It’s just a bad argument.

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    You ever see Willie D from the Geto Boys diss Jordan?



    Though I still think his best diss track against a coon was the one he did about Rodney King.
    Will D went off Now I gotta go play me some Geto Boys.

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    While sucking chinese

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    *Only 7 years his first stint in Cleveland.
    So that leaves 13.
    Yes other then one good year from head case Kyrie Irving and the Heatles, do indeed tell how he was "surrounded by All Stars and HOFs".
    Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

    Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.















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    Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

    Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.














    I don’t get the second graphic. Pippen made 7 all star teams, 5 while playing with jordan. Horace grant and Armstrong made it. Did they only count the years they played together?

    As for the first, Dwight? Parish? I mean, Pippen was a top 10 mvp candidate while playing with Pippen for at least five of those years with jordan. Wade had two years. And I think that’s all the mvp shares Lebrons teammates ever got.

    Put into it that the 90s was the most watered down we due to rapid expansion (6 teams over the course of like 6 years or so) and the help vs compe ion scale doesn’t really stand in favour of jordan.

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    I don’t get the second graphic. Pippen made 7 all star teams, 5 while playing with jordan. Horace grant and Armstrong made it. Did they only count the years they played together?

    As for the first, Dwight? Parish? I mean, Pippen was a top 10 mvp candidate while playing with Pippen for at least five of those years with jordan. Wade had two years. And I think that’s all the mvp shares Lebrons teammates ever got.

    Put into it that the 90s was the most watered down we due to rapid expansion (6 teams over the course of like 6 years or so) and the help vs compe ion scale doesn’t really stand in favour of jordan.
    ROFL completely washed versions of Westbrook, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Melo, Howard, and Rose in that graphic.

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    Also, Parrish was beyond washed when he played that one season for the Bulls and according to Lebron fans, Kukoc was just a 90's plumber.

    So basically the only legit Hall of Fame help Jordan ever had was Pippen and Rodman Still a lot less help than Lebron's.

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    So if finished Ben Wallace and finished Shaq and scrub Derrick Rose count as LeBron's incredible help, how come Hall of Fame teammates like George Gervin and Artis Gilmore aren't counted for Jordan?

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    So if finished Ben Wallace and finished Shaq and scrub Derrick Rose count as LeBron's incredible help, how come Hall of Fame teammates like George Gervin and Artis Gilmore aren't counted for Jordan?
    The entire thing doesn’t make any sense. At all. It only counted the years jordan won les vs the entire career of James. Once again jordan Stan’s trying to erase the years of failure as if jordan only played six years in the league and ignore that bird was his daddy.

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    Even if some of those stars were past their primes when they joined Lebron, Lebron still enjoyed plenty of prime help.

    Still, Jordan managed to accomplish more than Lebron with less help. It's not debateable really.














    that's probably the worst graphic I've seen posted to sustain an argument on ST..

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    that's probably the worst graphic I've seen posted to sustain an argument on ST..

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    3 teammates on the Lebron list are in the Top25 All-Time scoring list

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    Iceman is missing on the Jordan side.

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    3 teammates on the Lebron list are in the Top25 All-Time scoring list
    Marshmellow Anthony was really known for Championship team ball.

    Surely Jordan would have combined with 'Marsh for another Chip. Who were the other 2?

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    Marshmellow Anthony was really known for Championship team ball.

    Surely Jordan would have combined with 'Marsh for another Chip. Who were the other 2?
    Shaq & Ray Allen. 2 surprises to me

    Ray @ #25. He really sacrificed his legacy to be a glorified Klay Thompson. If even, by the common fan.

    Wade not cracking the Top30

    I'll post the complete list

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    Shaq & Ray Allen.
    Shaq was washed by the time he played a year in Cleveland with Lebron.
    Bron won 2 with Prime Allen. Albeit 1 against a peabrain coach.

    Donald Sterling troll has been obliterated.

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