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Black is a guy who will be deep in the playoffs some years from now and getting 'oh ' steals and making those sorts of plays. But if he gets on Washington or another team with a listless, iso system and no good players, he'll be pointless.
Yeah, nice reminder. I was truly depressed with the talk about Dieng or Mark Williams being the targets at 9, which made the actual picks that much more exciting (was pro Sochan, all along).
Black is a guy who will be deep in the playoffs some years from now and getting 'oh ' steals and making those sorts of plays. But if he gets on Washington or another team with a listless, iso system and no good players, he'll be pointless.
Black (Not :p) is the only player I would give up Toronto’s, multiple seconds and one of Atlanta’s picks for.
He has the proper amount of vowels in his name but he lacks everything else.
I made this comment a few months ago... but we continue to dive deeper and deeper into basically just describing Derrick White every time we talk about Anthony Black. While Derrick White doesn't jump out immediately as a guy you want to spend a Top 10 pick on (because you are swinging for deeper fences), getting Derrick White around the 8th-10th pick would be a much better outcome than most teams get out of that pick.
Should try trade for a couple of picks, think how ruthless the Black double team would be down low.
Derrick was days away from turning 23 on his draft day. If he was younger at those stats, he would have gone higher.
It's not simply a matter of Black and White.
I think it's a great example, however, of how age is an overrated factor. If you draft Black at #8 and he has what amounts to exactly Derrick White's career... you should probably be pretty happy. (For comparison, here are a list of #8 picks: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th...raft-picks-nba there are some obvious ones that exceeded Derrick's career, but a lot who don't even sniff it). Who cares if he is 19 or 23? Not ever 19 year old has hidden undiscovered potential... sometimes they are just the ty basketball player they are at 19
It could be like how Utah has to draft white players. I’m down.
I don’t think he believes that Black will be picked 3rd. That’s not what a big board is. This is how he ranks Spurs trade interest. It would be very hard to get pick 3, but if you insert scoot at two, and go through the usual VW, Scoot, Miller, Amen, Ausar,Cam,Jarace top of the draft, that makes Black #7 or later. That’s a pick that’s gettable.Anthony Black is #3 on the big board and Cason Wallace is #7. Kobe Bufkin is #8. They are contrasted with the “high-risk, high-reward” prospects like Amen Thompson.
While timvp says there is no realistic trade to get Scoot Henderson, he is silent on that point for the other guys.
Getting in late here.
Can work around the rim or are his penetration skills limited?
If we're talking about work ethic, no one goes at it harder than .
Thank you Captain Obvious
He's terrible working out. Two pumps and he's done.
Could we bring Primo back if we got ?
What about Cason Wallace? He seems solid
At first, I was down on this crude discussion.
But after seeing the level of subsequent basketball analysis, I say go back to it guys.
I really don't think the Spurs will turn into their 2008 selves just because they got Wemby. Wemby is not Duncan. He's not likely to be an MVP out-of-the-box player. He might bust. If it made sense to go for potential before the lottery, it makes sense now.
I also hope and believe that the Spurs don't think about development in this way. Yes, some guys are more finished than others. Upside is a real thing. But it's not the case that players with higher upside have to have lower floors. Kawhi is a HoFer with a extremely high floor who went in the middle of the round. The Spurs screwed the pooch with Primo, but both Vassell and Sochan were players who had seemingly useful floors but who still show a lot of upside. I would liken Ausar in that boat, since his defensive ability and athleticism should translate. Even so, I don't think the Spurs should look at players like they're scratch-off tickets. There's not a "30 percent chance Player X lives up to his potential". That logic is made up. Instead, there's a roadmap a given player has to develop skills and physical traits to improve, and a team has to factor in both the player's willingness to put in the work and their own ability to provide the instruction and resources for the player to move along that roadmap.
So it's okay if the Spurs pass on Amen because they don't think they can fix his shot. It's okay if they think Black can provide them more value than Ausar. Those are definitely the types of considerations that go into a draft board. But they're not actually quantifiable conditions, and trying to put a number to them in a desire to add an air of objectivity doesn't all of the sudden make real people behave like a RNGs. If the Spurs thought they and a prospect could work together on a roadmap that would make that player a useful asset to their team before they won the lottery, they shouldn't all of the sudden not believe that.
Ultimately, all of these evaluations fit into the wider concept of BPA, and most of the factors shouldn't be any different now. There are examples for the opposite, sure. Drafting a player like Wemby can definitely alter the board given that they'd be taking a guy at a position where they already took a player last year. Trading up for yet another PF would be weird (so like downgrading Miller totally makes sense even if he might be downgraded a bit too much). But if there are players that the Spurs would've felt comfortable taking at three or later, they should still have the same grade, and most of them should still be right where they were on the board.
Last edited by Chinook; 06-03-2023 at 10:42 AM.
With all due respect . . .
In what world is this a question?
None? That's not a question. If you mean if it's a question whether Amen's shot is fixable, I don't know. I do believe a lot of posters have said it's heavily broken. My point wasn't about Amen specifically but more about the types considerations that should go into handicapping prospects.
EDIT: And insert " " pun here.
Last edited by Chinook; 06-02-2023 at 10:45 PM.
I do wonder about how the drafting of Wemby will affect San Antonio's chances with other high end role players or stars to come to Texas and play ball with Pop & Co. There's gotta be a LOT of young players eyeballing the experience the Spurs can put together with the talent they already had before drafting Wemby. This team may not need a ton of vets on the court to make a huge impact given the mentoring they're going to be getting.
A most interesting couple of off-seasons is in store for the Spurs.
Not sure why Wemby is going to attract FA’s when Duncan rarely could.
I agree with Cry Havoc’s thought on potential free agents coming. It’s a different era now vs when Duncan was around, guys are always looking to jump to the next big thing and Wemby just might be the next big thing
Duncan's prime was well before the advent of modern media and places like reddit where highlights get posted ad nauseam.
And we watched Duncan his entire career. Flash wasn't part of his personality or his play, and that kind of thing can definitely draw crowds and glamour to a team.
Plus, I think it's pretty clear he's already getting much more of a media buy-in and push than Duncan ever got as a player. The hype around him is immense.
Yeah but in measurements was a couple inches shorter than everyone expected, gonna be tough for him to finish at the rim.
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