What Stats or Advanced Stats Do You Find Useful

[ambchang]

ppg more than others imo

if i wanted to get a sense of the top 10 players in the league i could probably look at the top 25 scorers and find 9/10 of them or so. Don’t think you can do that with another raw stat

But why not look at BPM, VORP or WS/48? Those numbers likely can give a better representation.

You look at the top 25 scorers last year, you find players like Lillard at #3, Shai at #4, Irving at #8, Jaylen Brown at #9, Trae at #11, Markkanen at #12, randle at #13, Fox at #14, Lavine at #15, DeRozan at #17, Porzingis at #21, Keldon Johnson at #24 and klay Thompson at #25. That's a pretty weak list.

While you look at VORP, let's say, the only "weird" one is Sabonis at #7, and Randle at #17. While Booker is way down at #27. Everything else looks reasonable.

[spurraider21]

But why not look at BPM, VORP or WS/48? Those numbers likely can give a better representation.

You look at the top 25 scorers last year, you find players like Lillard at #3, Shai at #4, Irving at #8, Jaylen Brown at #9, Trae at #11, Markkanen at #12, randle at #13, Fox at #14, Lavine at #15, DeRozan at #17, Porzingis at #21, Keldon Johnson at #24 and klay Thompson at #25. That's a pretty weak list.

While you look at VORP, let's say, the only "weird" one is Sabonis at #7, and Randle at #17. While Booker is way down at #27. Everything else looks reasonable.

i probably would look at those tbh

somebody in the thread said ppg is a pretty good metric. i think while there are obvious reasons why its not a perfect stat, its also not a terrible one in the scheme of things.

saying "but there are better stats" isnt really a retort to "ppg is a fine stat." both could be true. theres no use pretending ppg is useless or anything. when we look at player growth/improvement, one of the first things people point to is scoring average. look at basically any post here talking about vassell's improvement. a lot of reference to his scoring output. nobody out here is saying "vassell looked better last year, i mean just look at his VORP!"

[TD 21]

theres no use pretending ppg is useless or anything. when we look at player growth/improvement, one of the first things people point to is scoring average. look at basically any post here talking about vassell's improvement. a lot of reference to his scoring output. nobody out here is saying "vassell looked better last year, i mean just look at his VORP!"

Since it's mostly a product of a combination of of mpg/usage + mentality as opposed to ability/skill, it's largely irrelevant and you'd think this fan base of all would know that.

Blame most mainstream basketball analysis, which has conditioned and treats the audience like idiots.

They should be explaining and showing catch all advanced metrics and %'s (effective field goal, true shooting, rebound/assist/block/steal/turnover/3pt/free throw/usage rate) as opposed to counting stats.

Box scores should be changed too, with things like hockey/screen assists, block outs, etc. added.

[exstatic]

Ppg doesn’t tell you anything unless you know how many shots the player took. Two guys score 25 ppg. One takes 21 shots per game. The other takes 17. They’re not the same.

[spurraider21]

Ppg doesn’t tell you anything unless you know how many shots the player took. Two guys score 25 ppg. One takes 21 shots per game. The other takes 17. They’re not the same.

oh, i thought they were

[ambchang]

i probably would look at those tbh

somebody in the thread said ppg is a pretty good metric. i think while there are obvious reasons why its not a perfect stat, its also not a terrible one in the scheme of things.

saying "but there are better stats" isnt really a retort to "ppg is a fine stat." both could be true. theres no use pretending ppg is useless or anything. when we look at player growth/improvement, one of the first things people point to is scoring average. look at basically any post here talking about vassell's improvement. a lot of reference to his scoring output. nobody out here is saying "vassell looked better last year, i mean just look at his VORP!"

Same old he said of almost any stat. If you are a league leader in any stat you are by definition a good player. What makes a good stat vs a misleading stat is whether the ranking of those stats point to how good a player is at helping his team win. Ppg is about as good an indicator as any other stat.

[Ef-man]

For a good team focused comparison stat, I would choose best record against teams above .500 stat.