Carter and Sheppard will be great case studies going forward in the debate between actual high level results in college from less than ideal archetypes vs optimal physical archetypes who've "shown flashes," i.e., haven't posted high level results... SpursBills mentioned in one post the idea of an inflection point between physical limitations and results, and it's really one of the most interesting debates in scouting I think, very similar to the "high floor" types who usually stick in the league vs the "high ceiling" types who much more frequently bust. I personally value positional size-- maybe more than most-- but I'm kinda going against myself this year in liking both Carter and Sheppard.
But I remember a time when I went in the opposite direction-- when Sacramento drafted Davion Mitc -- and I thought it was such a terrible decision to add a 6'0" defensive stopper to a team that already had a slightly undersized PG who was defensively mediocre.
It's not like he's doing well.
Yesterday I saw a suggestion to get Kings under the tax.
Spurs #35 pick for Davion and Kings fans thought it's a fair deal.
Nice vid...the more I see and watch the more I like the kid with our 8th pick
The clip is enlightening - both Carter and McCain this year were surprisingly good finishers in the paint compared to the peers (both >60% at the rim in the half-court) and both made a living finishing off two feet which is not that common. With Brunson's success, it's a tactic you may see more and more especially with bigger/beefier guards who can use touch and center of mass to improve their at-rim efficiency.
From Fat Head 1 (Kyle Anderson)
to Fat Head 2 (Derrick White)
to Fat Head 3 (Devin Carter)
it’s tradition
It is so difficult to compare. This guy is a full grown adult compared to guys like Castle, Sheppard, Dillingham and Carrington.
If you compare his freshman stats to these other guys, there's no contest.
The thing is, he’s kind of similar to Derrick white and he also didn’t come out as a freshman
I would not be surprised if he is one of the picks. Im calling that in timvp next big board/mock article that Carter has moved up
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Carter is going to go a lot higher than people think he will. He’s just a dog, but a very talented one in a very thin draft.
I'm in for Castle at 4 and very hopeful they don't blow it. I'm also in for Carter at 8. He could go 6, even, to Charlotte.
Castle and Carter in the back court actually works. Carter needs to play next to a tall point, assuming Castle works as a PG. Carter could play as shooting guard on offense and defend point guards on defense. Or they share point guard duties. Anyway. Could be a symbiotic relationship.
Carter-Vassell-Castle would be easily able to play together against every team that doesn't have bigger wings that are able to create for themselves.
Watching all the tape available Carter screams an offensively talented Alex Caruso.
100% all in on him at 8 and Castle at 4.
Castle and Carter has a nice ring to it. That’s like DJ and White again, two guards who can share duties.
Caruso is 3 inches taller than Carter but I can see the comparison. CArter's a great athlete too. I'd much rather him than Salaun or Williams at 8 tbh.
It’s contingent:
- Carter is the play at 8 if ZR falls to 4.
- unclear how they value Castle v Reed, but if Reed, I can see Carter being the play at 8
- if Castle is the pick at 4, I don’t think they also take Carter. They’re probably taking best wing left between Salaun or Williams (I vote Williams)
So possible combos coming into focus:
1. ZR + Carter
2. Reed + Carter
3. Castle + William
I hope they pass on Risacher, that's clear. But if they get Castle first, I don't see any reason not to take Carter. Don't draft for position. The difference between Cody Williams and Devin Carter in terms of having that dog - or any kind of life whatsoever - is gaping. Give me the guy who plays hard and not the wee wallflower.
I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t still grab Carter even if we draft Castle. It’s not like a theoretical Carter/Vassell/Castle/Sochan/Wemby lineup would be anywhere near undersized. And guys like Castle, Carter, and even Sheppard for that matter aren’t likely to be true PGs in the sense of being ball-dominant. With Sochan/Wemby I don’t think they want to go out and get a guy is mostly only effective with the ball in his hands.
Sheppard/Vassell/Castle or Carter/Vassell/Castle would both be exciting trios to put alongside a Sochan/Wemby duo.
edit: I guess the only reason the above scenarios wouldn’t work out is if Castle truly is insistent on being a true PG in the traditional sense. But if that’s the case then I don’t see SA picking him in the first place tbh.
Castle and Carter overlap really well. Their defense will be excellent. And... one of our problems (other than defense and shooting and...) is rebounding, and they're both strong rebounders. They can help clean the defensive glass.
The other thing I'd say about Castle/Carter is they'll both be ready pretty quickly. Unless things go wildly wrong, they'll be able to pick up schemes and understand the NBA enough to play almost out of the box.
A guy like Cody Williams can get time, but as a project. I'm not even sure Risacher will be able to play in the NBA as a trusted starter yet. He certainly doesn't look like it.
This. I think these two guys give us a lot of immediate juice and dawg. They both seem spursy and obvious fits to me, too. Also, with Carter, we would almost always have the fastest guy on the court which I like very much paired with what Wemby brings.
I've never understood why most base size solely off of height.
Who cares if Caruso is nearly 2 inches taller than Carter? Carter is nearly 3 inches longer, weighs more and has the block (so does Caruso) and rebound rates of some C's, so functionally he plays big.
Probably the most likely scenarios.
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