Just to be clear: Salaun and Carter weren't smoke screens. The Spurs likely thought Carter was their backup play at 8 if Castle were taken. They would've taken Salaun there and then Carter. It's possible too that one of the top-three would've fallen, leading to the Spurs taken them, losing Castle and then picking up Carter.
It seems the days of the Spurs legit being able to hide their intentions are over. So I'm going to start putting in more stock in rumors I hear. For example, I guess the Spurs are actually trying to trade for Garland. What would that package look like? Maybe Graham and Jones for Garland, which the rest being absorbed into the fresh cap space they made? Then of course are the picks. I'm thinking CHI25, ATL27, SAS28, SAS/DAL/MINN 30 and MINN 31 and a bunch of seconds. Thank goodness the Spurs have the trade capital. Otherwise how else could they have filled their need for a smaller scoring guard?
Spurs got the best guy in a bad draft. Traded away a pick that nobody cared about for future first rounders. All good by me. But of course everyone here is an idiot who will and act like that draft wasn't one of the worst ever and they should have taken some scrub whonthey didn't really want at 8 because "win now and all strategy".
Taking a guy in the draft has never been a "win now and all strategy". Is this the extent that folks have to distort the world for it to make sense to them?
You seem to have a lot of faith in an organization that never trades for anyone.
I get the logic behind it, but:
1) To bullet point 10 in Timvp’s article, this FO hasn’t exactly shown much promise recently in terms of aggressively making moves to better the team. I would love to think that this means they’ll use those picks to make a splash elsewhere, but I just can’t. I could easily see us getting to 2031 and trading the 2031 24th pick for three future SRPs
2) This seems like the type of move you’ve made once you’ve already established a decent core. We have no core! You can be optimistic about Sochan or any of the other guys all you want, but you can’t tell me it’s a given that we have even 2 guys that will be here in 3 years outside of Wemby. This team is lacking in damn near every aspect, and to this point we’ve shown no real willingness to get better through FA. So how do we get better? Through the draft…and what do you know, we had a bit of fortune go our way with Toronto’s pick falling out of the protections. Great! Now let’s just trade it away so we still have a dog team.
It’s not a terrible deal in a vacuum, but just based on how the Spurs seem to operate it doesn’t sit well with me to land a top 10 pick and not use it after seeing how terrible Wembanyama’s supporting cast was last year. And if they trade away 35 then I might have a full on meltdown
I think it's some truth to the spurs maybe making a trade soon. they are stock piling these picks like crazy. it was rumors before the draft that we were trying to trade the 8th pick, which turned out to be true
Just draft Cam Spencer for some bench shooting at 35 today.
One thing these moves do for me is cement the idea that the Spurs do not want a smallish PG, so all of the rumors surrounding Trae Young, Darius Garland, and any other guys of that ilk should be viewed with extreme skepticism. They passed on Dilly, passed on Devin Carter, tried to make Sochan a PG, hoped to make Primo a PG, stubbornly wouldn't start Tre Jones when he was the best option, etc., etc... If the idea is to experiment with Castle at PG, it only reinforces this idea of an obsession with a bigger PG, because in theory handing over the reins to a guy with no history of 3pt shooting success at all (as with Sochan also) shows that the size theory is first and foremost in their minds.
Exactly. It's just a dog draft. Risacher may very well challenge Bennett to tiest #1 pick of all time. Spurs have potentially 7 picks in next year's loaded draft. 7. Why the do people want an anorexic midget on the books so badly?God I did not want Salaun, he was the worst case at 8. How you gonna have a 7'1" wingspan and little ass Reed Sheppard has 3x as many blocks as you in the same number of games?
Yeah Sheppard vs Castle would have been a tough choice had all the hype about Clingan at 3 been true.
See I'm higher on the trade than on Castle. Seems most of ST are different. I don't see Castle an on the ball player. And if he is an off the ball non shooter, what is he doing? Just guard version of Sochan? Look the Spurs obviously really liked his workout. The trade is tops. I wonder if Edwards asked out in 2028, the twolves want their picks back?
I have 1 thought after the Spurs draft: this
Unless they flip these 7 year picks for something, this is some holy grail level 1 bull
I'd be surprised if Risacher busts. Good size, can shoot, and plays decent defense. Just see him as Harrison Barnes. Maybe he hits the upside of that and becomes a fringe allstar while Barnes definitely hit the low end of his projections but I think Atlanta ed up going the conservative route instead of drafting upside with Sarr. Once Sarr saw that first paycheck he would have been fine playing in ATL.
I was going to say the same thing. It’s clear now that they’re aiming to have no defensive liability on the court at any time. To solve this, they want to attain versatile players who can defend multiple positions.
A day ago, everyone hated Rob Dillingham. Today, everyone loves Rob Dillingham.
I exaggerate, but this is mostly true. The issue isn't with passing on him, it's passing on everyone. Personally, it's going to hurt not having him, but I get it. Didn't think they would take him in the first place.
It's the passing on the pick that has everyone reeling, not the player. And the assets being pushed so far out. But if you see 1) this draft as pretty meh, and 2) the pick as a gimme from Toronto, then it makes sense. The pick and swap will come when we badly need them. There's a good chance Minnesota, with KAT and Gobert basically done, with having practically no good picks between now and then, will be out of the playoffs once again. Their window is now.
As for not getting Buzelis or Knecht or even Carter... well, I thought Carter was an excellent possibility, they just value a need for good picks when Wembanyama is 26 than now. They got their priority in the draft - imo Castle was always the priority - and set up more goods in the future.
Everyone defending the move is straight cope. Look at the Wizards managed to get for for Deni. No one here can sell me on the idea that a pick 7 years away was the best package the Spurs could get for the 8. The knicks traded the 24th to the Wizards and got back 26th and 51. Those 2nd rounder could be more valuable than the trash the Spurs got developing a diamond in the rough on a cheap contract.
First of all, we have no idea if spurs actually wanted Salaun. That's collective self conviction. And if you ask me, whatever their intentions were, no one will regret they didn't get Salaun.
Second, I'm personnally happy spurs didn't add another two rookies to develop this year to the roster, specially an uncertain one in Dilly, but just picked a guy whose game have the most probabiltiy to translate to the NBA and become a valuable player. that also means, despite what Wright might say about the current roster that they want to keep room for vets and that we might see some trades this summer, maybe including the picks they just got.
I don't know if they plan to play Castle PG but also picking Dilly would have been another messy season and an unhappy Wemby in the making with an NBA back up PG (Tre) and two rookies, to play the point next year, including one who's not really one and the second who ca'nt defend.
That was a pretty underwhelming draft all things considered. Then again, we hear the same every year about how every team is looking at other moves and expect a bunch of trades and then nothing happens
Punting Dilly for a pick 7 years from now isn't that big of a deal, especially if the spurs eventually package their assets for a star. still, for such a bad team, hard to not have a sour taste in your mouth after having the 3rd highest pick since TD in 1997 and then trading it immediately
Oh and third, they might just prefer next year's draft to find their PG of the So no point picking Dilly or Topic this year.
Agree with all of the bolded but c'mon wtf a 2030 pick? At least get a bench/role player, not a 10 year old who will be pushing dirt on Pops grave.
They might use it in a trade. And you can't ofc really plan on that, but I won't have a problem passing on Dilly this year if they get a vet PG to put some order and compe ivity this summer then get a Nolan Traoré next year who will be mentored by said vet PG and take over the reigns in 3-4 years.
I would've liked Carter at 8 tbh, but I think PATFO are either holding out hope for a Darius Garland trade or they're targeting Nolan Traore in next year's class.
Danny Ainge made a "foolish trade" in 2013 because he received picks while the Nets received playersI will give you one good reason this was a foolish trade.
No one knows the future. By 2030 we all may be gone. The way the world is today.
The Rockets made a “foolish trade” in 2021 by trading Harden because they basically only got picks and the Nets became champions... oh wait
And I mean a Traoré or any playmaker/creator you will find next year, including swingmen.
I like Castle alot, but yes ove got my concerns of him becoming a consistent shooter to be a threat for defenses to respect. He seems like someone that's willing to put alot of work in improving himself though.
It does seem that the FO isn't committed into wining for at least another year but I wonder if Wemby wants to be on that same page.
For a guy who was killing everyone in workouts, Devin Carter didn't get picked until 13. That's a great spot for him, but maybe that was exaggerated a bit.
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