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    Yeah, Wemby is resorting to low-percentage shots because his teammates can't create anything.

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    This French team sucks. Almost 5am here and these guys are freaking worse than the Spurs' players at involving Victor. ing terrible guard play. TERRIBLE. I should have have just went to bed, but trying to support Victor.
    Why would you be surprised the FNT is worse than the Spurs? Of course they are. A bust like Yabusele is a key player for them. Keldon, Devin, Jones -- , even Sochan, Branham and Champagnie -- they're the best teammates Victor's ever had outside Gobert this FIBA stint. At some point STers are going to have to face reality on the quality of the players on their team. Yes, they can be improved. No, their innate abilities are not the main reason for the team's struggles. They need to grow. They can't skip that reality with a simple trade.

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    Milutinov starting, maybe he's coming over next year?
    For real though, it’s a shame that we scouted this guy for years, used a first round draft pick on him, he became the best big man in Europe at one point, and yet we still never got him to play a single game for us.

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    I thought they showed it was easy to lob the ball to Wemby and the Spurs guards were just too stupid to not give Victor 30 points per game off simple passes. After all, he's always open.
    I sense the sarcasm.

    Yes, Wemby is always going to be the top of the scouting chart for every team. He will see doubles for the rest of his basketball career.

    Somehow, teams found a way to feed the ball into Duncan, or Shaq, or Nowitzki, or Gasol, or....the list goes on and on.

    I know Wemby is not that prototypical "back to the basket" player...but there were also many missed opportunities by the French team today that mirrored the Spurs woes last season.
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    Why would you be surprised the FNT is worse than the Spurs? Of course they are. A bust like Yabusele is a key player for them. Keldon, Devin, Jones -- , even Sochan, Branham and Champagnie -- they're the best teammates Victor's ever had outside Gobert this FIBA stint. At some point STers are going to have to face reality on the quality of the players on their team. Yes, they can be improved. No, their innate abilities are not the main reason for the team's struggles. They need to grow. They can't skip that reality with a simple trade.
    I thought they'd focus on getting him the ball in spots he can work, but seems like they're worse at that than I thought at it. Maybe like some of the French fans are saying, that the coach is not very good either. Oh well, it was still worth watching for me. I don't understand why they don't try and play through Victor more. A team game is probably not going to help them win much because their team sucks.

    Also, what happened to Hifi (spelling?)? He looked alright to me in the first game. Did he not make the team or something?

    Also, I forgot about Mulitinov until seeing him today. I really did think the Spurs were going to bring him over years ago for at least a shot before they traded his draft rights. I guess he must of had a pretty big buyout and the Spurs were never going to give him a big enough contract to get out of it, that is, if they even wanted to bring him over?

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    I think people are expecting more from Wemby than he's ready for and underestimate the ability of defenses to guard him. A lot of fans, FNT, Spurs and basketball in general, don't want to accept that and want to come up with explanations that make it someone else's failing and not just Wemby and the players around him adjusting. We're going to see NBA teams have more answers for Victor this year as well. That's normal. He, his teammates and his coaches will adjust. This takes real time, and too many people think being a "true fan" of his is pretending like that's not the case.

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    I think people are expecting more from Wemby than he's ready for and underestimate the ability of defenses to guard him. A lot of fans, FNT, Spurs and basketball in general, don't want to accept that and want to come up with explanations that make it someone else's failing and not just Wemby and the players around him adjusting. We're going to see NBA teams have more answers for Victor this year as well. That's normal. He, his teammates and his coaches will adjust. This takes real time, and too many people think being a "true fan" of his is pretending like that's not the case.
    You're probably right about that. I know I've gotten a bit carried away, maybe jumping ahead a bit too early without letting him go through some more growing pains and learning first. It's probably not going to be as easy for him as some of us are/were thinking it is. I still have a lot of confidence in him, though.

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    I thought they'd focus on getting him the ball in spots he can work, but seems like they're worse at that than I thought at it. Maybe like some of the French fans are saying, that the coach is not very good either. Oh well, it was still worth watching for me. I don't understand why they don't try and play through Victor more. A team game is probably not going to help them win much because their team sucks.

    Also, what happened to Hifi (spelling?)? He looked alright to me in the first game. Did he not make the team or something?

    Also, I forgot about Mulitinov until seeing him today. I really did think the Spurs were going to bring him over years ago for at least a shot before they traded his draft rights. I guess he must of had a pretty big buyout and the Spurs were never going to give him a big enough contract to get out of it, that is, if they even wanted to bring him over?
    - He's close to be incompetent

    - Hifi got cut by Collet (prob politics, many of us thought he should be a no brainner) and just joined the Wolves summer league team

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    You're probably right about that. I know I've gotten a bit carried away, maybe jumping ahead a bit too early without letting him go through some more growing pains and learning first. It's probably not going to be as easy for him as some of us are/were thinking it is. I still have a lot of confidence in him, though.
    Let's not overeact after a bad (team) game, put Jokic in the same conditions Wemby is and it won't be pretty either with no systems/plays, very poor ball handling or passing and the whole defense focused on 1 player

    It's a team game and France has no elite PG or ball handlers and mostly journey men in the roster

    France can still have a good tournament if they focus on their defense and simple offensive game but they're really weak on the backcourt and Gobert is mostly and handicap bc of his lack of technique.

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    these French guards are the equivalent to the Maginot Line
    It still hurts…

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    Yabusele is a major player on the best Euroleague team and is often the best player in the French team. French team which, for twenty years, has been a nightmare to watch play. A guard brings the ball on the court, stops his dribble at the logo and waits for another player to ask for the ball after fifty screens. And since he takes fifty screens and the point guard has been following him with his eyes for ten seconds, the entire defense perfectly read who the pass was intended for. It is impossible for the point guard to pass the ball, and as he can no longer dribble, the defenders climb high on him, and the team loses the ball. This is the game system reproduced on more than half of the French team's plays for twenty years. And we wonder why this team has never won. The problem isn't Yabusele, it's the idiot who coaches the team. The aim of such a game logic is to pass the ball. So French: we set the table. Forbidden to shoot. Players who shoot in first intention or who take an open shot with less than ten seconds in the possession return to the summer league. And that's precisely what the best French player did this evening: Nadir Hifi, who actually plays for the Wolves. He goes up the ball, he doesn't stop his dribble, he shoots if he's open, he attacks, and he defends like a dog. Everything Collet hates. Roughly speaking, the French team's game for twenty years has been to ask Sochan to play PG and deliver passes to Boris Diaw or Nicolas Batum on the elbow from the logo with his feet stopped. And Boris and Nico never get the ball. "Why it doesn't work, I don't understand. I asked the players to pass the ball, but the ball never get at the 15th stage of my smart play and after all five players proved they can pass the ball first instead of being selfish dunking the ball if they're alone in the paint with no one around." Yes, this is not who we are, the ball doesn't circulate when you play standing and don't attack defense first with dribbles. And yes, you don't win a game when you refuse to raise your arms to shoot. If the cliché that the French don't shave their armpits persists, it's because we've never seen a French player show his armpits in a basketball game. Hands up! "Garçon, un café s'il vous plaît ! - Here I come."

    No Hifi, no game. Even Victor played badly trying guard stuff with three defensers around.

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    Yabusele is a major player on the best Euroleague team and is often the best player in the French team. French team which, for twenty years, has been a nightmare to watch play. A guard brings the ball on the court, stops his dribble at the logo and waits for another player to ask for the ball after fifty screens. And since he takes fifty screens and the point guard has been following him with his eyes for ten seconds, the entire defense perfectly read who the pass was intended for. It is impossible for the point guard to pass the ball, and as he can no longer dribble, the defenders climb high on him, and the team loses the ball. This is the game system reproduced on more than half of the French team's plays for twenty years. And we wonder why this team has never won. The problem isn't Yabusele, it's the idiot who coaches the team. The aim of such a game logic is to pass the ball. So French: we set the table. Forbidden to shoot. Players who shoot in first intention or who take an open shot with less than ten seconds in the possession return to the summer league. And that's precisely what the best French player did this evening: Nadir Hifi, who actually plays for the Wolves. He goes up the ball, he doesn't stop his dribble, he shoots if he's open, he attacks, and he defends like a dog. Everything Collet hates. Roughly speaking, the French team's game for twenty years has been to ask Sochan to play PG and deliver passes to Boris Diaw or Nicolas Batum on the elbow from the logo with his feet stopped. And Boris and Nico never get the ball. "Why it doesn't work, I don't understand. I asked the players to pass the ball, but the ball never get at the 15th stage of my smart play and after all five players proved they can pass the ball first instead of being selfish dunking the ball if they're alone in the paint with no one around." Yes, this is not who we are, the ball doesn't circulate when you play standing and don't attack defense first with dribbles. And yes, you don't win a game when you refuse to raise your arms to shoot. If the cliché that the French don't shave their armpits persists, it's because we've never seen a French player show his armpits in a basketball game. Hands up! "Garçon, un café s'il vous plaît ! - Here I come."

    No Hifi, no game. Even Victor played badly trying guard stuff with three defensers around.
    All that wall of text and then you decided to space out the last sentence?

    Some Jeff Dahmer right here.

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    Yabusele is a major player on the best Euroleague team and is often the best player in the French team. French team which, for twenty years, has been a nightmare to watch play. A guard brings the ball on the court, stops his dribble at the logo and waits for another player to ask for the ball after fifty screens. And since he takes fifty screens and the point guard has been following him with his eyes for ten seconds, the entire defense perfectly read who the pass was intended for. It is impossible for the point guard to pass the ball, and as he can no longer dribble, the defenders climb high on him, and the team loses the ball. This is the game system reproduced on more than half of the French team's plays for twenty years. And we wonder why this team has never won. The problem isn't Yabusele, it's the idiot who coaches the team. The aim of such a game logic is to pass the ball. So French: we set the table. Forbidden to shoot. Players who shoot in first intention or who take an open shot with less than ten seconds in the possession return to the summer league. And that's precisely what the best French player did this evening: Nadir Hifi, who actually plays for the Wolves. He goes up the ball, he doesn't stop his dribble, he shoots if he's open, he attacks, and he defends like a dog. Everything Collet hates. Roughly speaking, the French team's game for twenty years has been to ask Sochan to play PG and deliver passes to Boris Diaw or Nicolas Batum on the elbow from the logo with his feet stopped. And Boris and Nico never get the ball. "Why it doesn't work, I don't understand. I asked the players to pass the ball, but the ball never get at the 15th stage of my smart play and after all five players proved they can pass the ball first instead of being selfish dunking the ball if they're alone in the paint with no one around." Yes, this is not who we are, the ball doesn't circulate when you play standing and don't attack defense first with dribbles. And yes, you don't win a game when you refuse to raise your arms to shoot. If the cliché that the French don't shave their armpits persists, it's because we've never seen a French player show his armpits in a basketball game. Hands up! "Garçon, un café s'il vous plaît ! - Here I come."

    No Hifi, no game. Even Victor played badly trying guard stuff with three defensers around.


    - Seriously wtf, go to the line some time... ^^

    - I 100% agree with ur summary. Tbh the excitement to watch Wemby and the hope he brings made me forget how much Collet is a massive hamdicap.

    - I'm really worried about the tournament, it could get ugly quick

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    I thought they showed it was easy to lob the ball to Wemby and the Spurs guards were just too stupid to not give Victor 30 points per game off simple passes. After all, he's always open.
    The guards weren't stupid, they were freezing Victor out. Remember?

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    The guards weren't stupid, they were freezing Victor out. Remember?
    They were jealous. You could tell by pausing videos and using MS Paint to draft lines between theirs eyes.

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    The answer in the coach, Collet has a job for life bc of the TP/Boris's generation's results, that were not only obtained DESPITE Collet but could have been a lot more impressive with an elite coach that France never had.

    Not only Collet is bb wise a very average coach at best, he has ZERO man management skills nor balls to take tough decisions like sitting Gobert despite his statut bc he's an obvious handicap matchup wise.

    I hard anytime a US journalist like Windhorst talk about Collet as "the equivalent of Pop"
    I don’t know, man. That sure sounds like Pop to me.

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    - Seriously wtf, go to the line some time... ^^

    - I 100% agree with ur summary. Tbh the excitement to watch Wemby and the hope he brings made me forget how much Collet is a massive hamdicap.

    - I'm really worried about the tournament, it could get ugly quick
    I like jumping to conclusions.

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    I don’t know, man. That sure sounds like Pop to me.
    You guys (I see Drunkford acquiesces) are in an advance stage of hate if you think so...

    I'm not shy of criticism towads Pop but you don't realise the muppet France has as a coach.

    Just take a momment watching him on the sidelines when u can, just his body language when interacting with the players is either hillarious or depressing

    Anyway, silver linning Vic will be back earlier in SA

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    I like jumping to conclusions.
    I tried to find the reasons Nadir Hifi was cut and couldn't find any, do you know why?

    He just had a very good summer league debut btw

    (I'm so pissed)

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    I think people are expecting more from Wemby than he's ready for and underestimate the ability of defenses to guard him. A lot of fans, FNT, Spurs and basketball in general, don't want to accept that and want to come up with explanations that make it someone else's failing and not just Wemby and the players around him adjusting. We're going to see NBA teams have more answers for Victor this year as well. That's normal. He, his teammates and his coaches will adjust. This takes real time, and too many people think being a "true fan" of his is pretending like that's not the case.
    If anything, people have been underestimating Wemby. The fact that he put up incredible, historic production, as a rookie, supported by the likes of Branham, Wesley, point Sochan, Collins, etc, says it all.

    Wemby plus four competent role players will be a revelation to you doubters.

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    I tried to find the reasons Nadir Hifi was cut and couldn't find any, do you know why?

    He just had a very good summer league debut btw

    (I'm so pissed)
    Thanks for giving me a reality check on the French BBall team's coach. I hope Victor can somehow elevate them, but they really do not look good. I hadn't seen Hifi play before that game a few days ago, and I really liked him. I am shocked if he got cut. What team's summer league roster is he on? He hasn't been signed yet to a contract, has he?

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