God I hope Lauri is available this summer and we package Sochan to get him.
I keep thinking that a big three of Wemby/Lauri/LaVine wouldn't be cost prohibitive pick wise if people are willing to include players like Dev and Sochan.
Again a solvable problem. Cam Johnson is such a better player than Sochan is, and will likely ever be, that it isn't a hard decision. The Spurs aren't good enough to be worried about fit. Now, would I rather keep Sochan to pair up with Cam Johnson? Sure, but that wasn't the question. I'm not even that big of a Cam Johnson fan, and I like Sochan... but at some point we need to get real.
Vassell, and possibly Sochan, are part of the flotsam, the fact that we want to pretend like they aren't is part of the problem.
I didn't mean dumping him but trying to involve him in a trade.
The Cap argument is not good enough to me, the issue is beyond the cost, it's the profile that I'd prefer not having on the roster. Keldon for ex has a great contract but doesn't attract any interest.
I know I'm in the minority, but again I don't think people can change. Sochan's issues are beyond basketball, it's his personality/character, his clumsiness etc You can't change that.
Anyway I'm 99% sure PATFO will extend him north of $20M/season
he‘s also a top 5 roll man, right there with Joker numbers wise
Agree
People are putting players like Sidy who isn't even getting on the court and the same with Branham, Mamu and Wesley now and Collins who is now getting limited minutes as the reasons for the Spurs poor play.
rascal, you don't often make good points... but when you hit one, you really send it out of the ballpark.
Branham not being good enough in his zero minutes is not holding the team back. It's the guys who actually play who do.
Wemby is obviously untouchable.
Castle is promising and while not untouchable, not worth trading except for some crazy offer.
Sochan is good enough, and promising enough, to not need to just dump. But he's certainly should be available for the right offer. CP3 and Barnes are useful vets that you only trade because it's good value. Champ is valuable only because he's dirt cheap and having dirt cheap guys who can be productive role players means they are worth more as trade asset than they are on the court sometimes (see Keon Ellis as an example. He's not a player that's worth what it would likely cost to get him).
Devin I put in a tier below those guys, due to his role and his contract. If he were on a 4/50 as the 6th man, he'd be a bargain and extremely valuable. But as an underperforming #2 guy on a $30MM deal, he's a borderline negative. He'd be far more valuable to a team who can make him the #4 option and can live with his contract.
Everyone else is quite superfluous. They could be gone tomorrow and no one would notice a difference on the court. The true definition of replacement-level players.
Sochan doesn't make a winning difference. If he plays or not doesn't even matter in a positive way.
The stats over the last couple of seasons has the Spurs with a better winning % when Sochan isn't playing. He's not a positive difference maker.
I’m not really so sure on cam Johnson. He seems like a good stats on bad team guy. Of course sochan is meh stats on bad team guy now but he does bring rebounding and defence.
Cam Johnson is mostly a scorer, kudos to him he did improve his passing and to an extent this year but they are, from what I have seen, meh. If he gets a role as a spot up shooter or occasional defender, I’m not sure how valuable he’d be. Sochan for cam straight up the nets will definitely say no, but im not even sure that is as lopsided a trade as most people think. But the nets will ask for at least another 2 good FRPs for cam on top of sochan and I would not go with that trade at all.
Yeah, I wouldn't trade Sochan + even one FRP for Cam personally. Not because I don't think Cam isn't one FRP better than Jeremy (he is), but because we aren't Cam Johnson away from competing and now you've got one less tradeable FRP to work with.
I think Cam would be a really valuable 3rd or 4th option on a playoff team, but he doesn't put us over the top. Now... if we somehow got the number pick and got Flagg? And then traded for Fox? Then we should definitely try to add a Cam Johnson to our squad. But that's a daydream for another time.
Which team in the league could have ANY interest in Sochan?
Genuine question, (after all the limitations he's show in year 3, not 1-2)
And I'm not talking about the fact that he's expiring contract.
Golden State, they have Dray and they signed KA and they were interested in Simmons. Fits their system well. UTA, Markannen best seasons is with a 4 man like Vando and Mobley. OKC is trying to find the new Gordon, allows Chet to stay at C with enough size to matchup with DAL.
Tbh although I like Sochan I don’t see him as a great fit with Wemby for the future and would welcome if he’s a part of a trade for someone like Markkanen. However, people are very unfair about his contributions or they simply don’t watch games, not sure.
His defense has been legit, he’s the best PoA defender on the team against any perimeter 1-4 player, is recognised as such as he consistently gets the toughest assignments, and is doing well in this role. He also rebounds well, rolls incredibly well and finishes around the rim at a .700+ and has increased his general efficiency dramatically. All of this while fighting through injuries and change of roles. People may not like him but it’s fair to recognise what is obvious.
Well said. Sochan has been asked to play multiple roles for this team since being drafted. He is also our annoying enforcer.
Please explain to me how "he fits their system"...?
He can't shoot and has poor court awareness/passing abilities...
It'd be the same issue with any team, whatever he brings on defense (a bit overrated let's be honest) doesn't compensate enough his cost on offense, the countless broken plays or inability to shoot that is exploited by any team that scouts the team he plays for.
I genuinely can't see any team that would be interested in him, only way to trade is thx to his salary and "spurs cachet"/hype that stil seems to exist for whatever reason.
That's just not true.
I get it, it's more comfortable to think ppl criticizing Sochan, just "don't watch games" or "don't know basletball" etc but the reality is that his contribution is being recognized. The critics are always on the balance between what he brings and what he costs.
That balance is too often negative, and he hasn't shown any hope at fixing his biggest issues (shooting has gotten even worse, court awareness and clumsiness still as bad).
And let's not act as if Sochan has to sacrificed himself or had it tough since he arrived in the league, the guy never had to fight for his place (probably one of the reasons for his lack of development imo) and is being spoon-fed most of his points.
He can't drive to create his points or shoot and still was up until recently an undisputable starter ffs
Gave you several teams who even desire lesser types of players and you still spewing the same like a broken record. Why ask then.
Karen14 is the resident expert in "court awareness", the same way rascal is in "athleticism".
Cleveland
Are you serious now?
I gave you explicit reasons why he wouldn't fit.
GS wouldn't be able to use Sochan, why trade for him?
Thx for highlighting the total delusion of the Spurs fanbase regarding the valuation of their players.
At best 5th-6th bench role player, used in specific situations/match ups.
He can't start, be used for long periods or in the clutch. He's worth it with a rookie deal but after an extension, I'm not so sure. You can draft a lot better to develop every year
Anyone highlighting his (overrated) defense is being conveniently selective.
Are you ing dumb you just criticized Sochan never mentioned anything about GS and how they run their . Genuine question my ass.
Last edited by rankingtear; 01-28-2025 at 08:02 AM.
Join the club and put the dumbass on ignore. A lot of folks are enjoying this place better when they don’t have to interact with stupid people like Karen14
He’d fit perfectly in Phoenix. I want no parts of Bradley Beal though.
Ok I tried but you're clearly an idiot
I should've known from the get-go when you started with insults rather than staying on topic.
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