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    That's the thing... he won't care. Enjoy the 20th pick in the draft.

    I still think there is a high likelihood that HOU and PHX end up doing some kind of deal for either KD or Booker, but all the time in this league people say things like "scenario X is inventible because team A has no other choice" and then something else completely happens.

    Expect the unexpected.
    They have no way to upgrade their team. They missed out on Butler. Durant is out in the summer. Why would Booker want to stay? They have no future

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    They have no way to upgrade their team. They missed out on Butler. Durant is out in the summer. Why would Booker want to stay? They have no future
    Famous words of people who counted their chickens before they hatched

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    Famous words of people who counted their chickens before they hatched
    The are you talking about Edgar Allen Poe? The Rockets are slated to have around the 11th or 12th pick from Phoenix just this year alone. Durant leaves and that pick is top 5 in the future

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    he's going to the Lakers imho. They will cobble together some pile of garbage to trade to the Suns and Ishiba will take it because he will stupidly think it will help them stay compe ive the following season rather than realizing his team is garbage and needs to be blown up and parted out for assets

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    Vegas loves to make us the most likely destination for just about everyone... but we're not even sniffing the top of the charts on this one

    Can definitely see the knicks and maybe the rockets if they don't win it all this year.

    Not sure I can see a team up again with kyrie, and don't know how going back to OKC wouldn't be looked at as another beta move. doubt it happens.

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    The are you talking about Edgar Allen Poe? The Rockets are slated to have around the 11th or 12th pick from Phoenix just this year alone. Durant leaves and that pick is top 5 in the future
    Just think of how good your G-League team is going to be once you add the 11th pick next to Reed Sheppard!

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    What about if vASSell is gone though?
    what if Mitch Johnson is still the coach?

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    That's the thing... he won't care. Enjoy the 20th pick in the draft.

    I still think there is a high likelihood that HOU and PHX end up doing some kind of deal for either KD or Booker, but all the time in this league people say things like "scenario X is inventible because team A has no other choice" and then something else completely happens.

    Expect the unexpected.
    This year? Sure. I’ll bet those 27 and 29 picks will be tasty, though. I would insist on it being Booker, and that would be the only way they get the 27 and 29 picks, along with this year’s. They really need to blow it up. There no way to build anything but a first round out or playin team around Booker, and without their picks, there’s no way to improve the team around him.

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    Idea for the off season: Vassell, Barnes, two 1sts (can't decipher which makes most sense until learning where own/Hawks '25 land) for Durant.

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    This year? Sure. I’ll bet those 27 and 29 picks will be tasty, though. I would insist on it being Booker, and that would be the only way they get the 27 and 29 picks, along with this year’s. They really need to blow it up. There no way to build anything but a first round out or playin team around Booker, and without their picks, there’s no way to improve the team around him.
    Yep. Can’t build anything without those picks.

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    Just think of how good your G-League team is going to be once you add the 11th pick next to Reed Sheppard!
    Except Reed is back up now and Udoka doesn’t really play rookies, and due to the teams record there hasn’t been minutes for him until now.

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    what if Mitch Johnson is still the coach?
    There's no what if, he's gonna get a new contract in the summer, like a sequel to Demarre Carroll.

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    This year? Sure. I’ll bet those 27 and 29 picks will be tasty, though. I would insist on it being Booker, and that would be the only way they get the 27 and 29 picks, along with this year’s. They really need to blow it up. There no way to build anything but a first round out or playin team around Booker, and without their picks, there’s no way to improve the team around him.
    The Jazz probably once felt that way about their 2027 LAL pick. Now they have Luka. Unexpected things happen, and the league changes quickly. Phoenix has more outs than just rolling over and handing Houston Booker or Top 10 picks. They almost certainly aren't going to become a Championship contender again anytime soon, but there is a lot of white space in between those extreme outcomes. Team owners don't view their teams as either needing to compete for les or tank. Some of them are completely happy to be a first round out team (see the Sacramento Kings). That's the entire point... the Suns have more pathways than are apparent at first glance. They are more likely to do a deal with HOU than with any other team (and that's what I'd do if I were them), but they don't *have* to, like it's being portrayed here.

    Just like last year when people said the Hawks *had* to sell Trae for salvage value or go in the gutter, the Hawks have found ways to still a middling team so as not to deliver to the Spurs high lotto picks and still have pathways to improve.

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    There's no what if, he's gonna get a new contract in the summer, like a sequel to Demarre Carroll.
    He will be on the coaching staff for at least another 5 years. Who becomes the head coach is another question, but as of now it's either Mitch or grandpa til the casket drops.

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    I would normally agree, but I also just watched Luka Doncic get traded for Anthony Davis. "No shot [thing happens]" is no longer part of my lexicon.
    but when was the last time anything like that happened

    one team made a deal that is already being considered one of the worst or at least most shocking trades in history of pro sports, that doesnt mean its suddenly commonplace. its like assuming you'll win the lottery because you saw on the news somebody win the big powerball

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    but when was the last time anything like that happened

    one team made a deal that is already being considered one of the worst or at least most shocking trades in history of pro sports, that doesnt mean its suddenly commonplace. its like assuming you'll win the lottery because you saw on the news somebody win the big powerball
    Also don't forget these things somehow only happen when the Lakers are involved...

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    but when was the last time anything like that happened

    one team made a deal that is already being considered one of the worst or at least most shocking trades in history of pro sports, that doesnt mean its suddenly commonplace. its like assuming you'll win the lottery because you saw on the news somebody win the big powerball
    The question shouldn't be when the last time a Luka-like deal happened, because that was certainly unprecedented... but the more appropriate question is how many times to do teams with seemingly nowhere to go but down defy odds and not be quite as bad as folks thought? And the answer is pretty regularly. It was only a year ago that people were saying that the Hawks were going to be terrible, they had no choice but to accept pennies on the dollar for Trae and we'd be there to reap the benefits (either by getting Trae for cheap or cashing in on a 3-way deal, or getting ourselves a top lottery pick). Instead, the Hawks found a way to get marginally better, have an incoming pick that's going to be just about as good as the one they are surrendering, and keep on trucking.

    There isn't a binary fork in the road that teams must choose from (give Booker to Houston or give Houston Top 5 picks).

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    Why not Spurs??

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    I’d want him to restructure his contract, and don’t know why he would.

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    KD, I think is a pipe-dream. He is too moody and I don't think he would prefer the Spurs over his demented buddy Kyrie. They seem to have an eerie relationship..despite all the nonsense that Irving pulled in Brooklyn and made life for KD, the latter has no hate lost for him.

    One player I think the Spurs can target next season is either Jrue Holiday or Derrick White. With the repeater tax going to pinch the Celtics, especially if they don't win a le this year, one of these two can be had for the Spurs. I think White will be a seamless fit along with Fox, Wemby and Castle. If Castle and Sochan become better 3P shooters, then a lineup of Fox, White, Castle, Sochan and Wemby will be very good. Plus if the Spurs are lucky to get a solid shooter in the draft, and a decent backup Center..their squad will be well rounded next season.

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    KD, I think is a pipe-dream. He is too moody and I don't think he would prefer the Spurs over his demented buddy Kyrie. They seem to have an eerie relationship..despite all the nonsense that Irving pulled in Brooklyn and made life for KD, the latter has no hate lost for him.

    One player I think the Spurs can target next season is either Jrue Holiday or Derrick White. With the repeater tax going to pinch the Celtics, especially if they don't win a le this year, one of these two can be had for the Spurs. I think White will be a seamless fit along with Fox, Wemby and Castle. If Castle and Sochan become better 3P shooters, then a lineup of Fox, White, Castle, Sochan and Wemby will be very good. Plus if the Spurs are lucky to get a solid shooter in the draft, and a decent backup Center..their squad will be well rounded next season.
    ISWYDT

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    KD, I think is a pipe-dream. He is too moody and I don't think he would prefer the Spurs over his demented buddy Kyrie. They seem to have an eerie relationship..despite all the nonsense that Irving pulled in Brooklyn and made life for KD, the latter has no hate lost for him.

    One player I think the Spurs can target next season is either Jrue Holiday or Derrick White. With the repeater tax going to pinch the Celtics, especially if they don't win a le this year, one of these two can be had for the Spurs. I think White will be a seamless fit along with Fox, Wemby and Castle. If Castle and Sochan become better 3P shooters, then a lineup of Fox, White, Castle, Sochan and Wemby will be very good. Plus if the Spurs are lucky to get a solid shooter in the draft, and a decent backup Center..their squad will be well rounded next season.
    Why would White chose the Spurs over running it back with the Celtics? I'm guessing the Celtics are gonna have a hard time keeping the gang together? White is gonna be 31 next year...

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    Why would White chose the Spurs over running it back with the Celtics? I'm guessing the Celtics are gonna have a hard time keeping the gang together? White is gonna be 31 next year...
    I think he's talking about the Celts trading White to reduce their tax.

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    I think he's talking about the Celts trading White to reduce their tax.
    Exactly. If the Celtics run back the same team in 2025-26, their luxury tax bill will balloon to close to $280 million and thats 50 mil more than their salaries ($230 million). I dont think they are trading Tatum or Brown. Jrue seems the likely candidate if age is a factor. But his contract ends in 2027-28 (age 37) while White's ends in 2028-29 (age 34). There is a better chance of White getting trade over Jrue.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html (for reference).

    The Celtics' current owners are also trying to sell their franchise. If they win the le again this year, there is a chance that the new owners might want to pay the stiff penalties, but if they don't.. they might have to trim costs for the buyers. That makes White/Jrue and even Pritchard expendable. And the Spurs should jump at White if they get a chance. Vassell can be either a sixth man option or traded while Keldon must be traded.

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    Exactly. If the Celtics run back the same team in 2025-26, their luxury tax bill will balloon to close to $280 million and thats 50 mil more than their salaries ($230 million). I dont think they are trading Tatum or Brown. Jrue seems the likely candidate if age is a factor. But his contract ends in 2027-28 (age 37) while White's ends in 2028-29 (age 34). There is a better chance of White getting trade over Jrue.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/BOS.html (for reference).

    The Celtics' current owners are also trying to sell their franchise. If they win the le again this year, there is a chance that the new owners might want to pay the stiff penalties, but if they don't.. they might have to trim costs for the buyers. That makes White/Jrue and even Pritchard expendable. And the Spurs should jump at White if they get a chance. Vassell can be either a sixth man option or traded while Keldon must be traded.
    I agree that they are going to move someone and I think they'd prefer it to be Jrue, but it'll be tougher to do that. I would discount Brown being moved though. The issue will be moving someone and not taking back salary ..that's gonna be tough to negotiate when the Nets are the only team with that kind of room

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