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Damn, get off my dude, I'm not ing you even if you ask
doesn't surprise me that you don't understand how the salary cap works, since you already lack basic comprehension when it comes to the english language.
Damn, get off my dude, I'm not ing you even if you ask
That might be a thing one day, but I don't think that's next year. But if it becomes obvious Harper is the one, I'm sure you can find a destination both he and the Spurs would be comfortable with. Houston comes to mind.
No way I'm helping Houston get the dynamic scoring PG they need to level-up in the playoffs! They might not even need him if Amen develops as they hope, anyways.
But yeah, good problem to have as they say. Harper might also not develop as we all think, and overlap too much with Castle if neither improves their shooting, making the FO pivot into trading one of them instead of Fox.... Many things could happen.
Sadly there is a legit shot that Atlanta is a playoff team in that ty conference nullifying the upshot of that swap.
what? You don’t have one, you‘re pussyDamn, get off my dude, I'm not ing you even if you ask
My comment isn't even about the salary cap. Everyone is penciling in max deals for Castle and Harper and worrying about Fox's trade destination... but we've got a long way to go before we get there. Before we worry about this, one of Castle or Harper needs to be better than De'Aaron Fox, for starters. Fox is a Top 30 player in the NBA. This is by no means a shoo in (shout out: spurraider21). Fox will start declining as he ages, as all players do, but no one knows what that looks like just like no one knows what Castle or Harper's career arc will look like. But I do expect Fox to perform at a very high level for the next few years, in which case Castle and Harper will naturally have fewer opportunities to showcase and prove themselves worthy of this theoretical max extension.
By comparison, we have a team like OKC where JDub and Chet are clearly the 2nd and 3rd guy... but I think Williams is still a fringe max guy and (in my opinion) Chet is not a max guy. If there was another player above them in the pecking order the last few years, I think their path towards a max would look even more difficult.
This isn't a bad thing for the Spurs by any means (though I think this is certainly on player's minds... we all like to assume that all these guys are willing to sacrifice millions of dollars for winning... but we forget this is their job. How many of us on this forum are willing to sacrifice their paycheck so their companies can "win"? At the end of the day... these guys need to look out for #1).
Bend over, I'll show you a pussy...what? You don’t have one, you‘re pussy
Ah, I see. Yeah, I just mentioned in the other thread, Harper rising to max-worthy level is far from a given yet - same goes for Castle, though I think his ROTY season has already earned him a rookie max extension unless he terribly s the bed moving forward.
I don't see Chet going for anything less than a max tbh, be it OKC or another team that gives it to him. He's way too valuable an archetype, and a significantly productive player at that, to accept a deal below the max. It's great news for the Spurs and I hope to see OKC mismanage his extension and break up that core... But it's wishful thinking.
This is absolutely true, and a big reason I want to get Durant and make this team a contender ASAP. The only scenario I see Fox (or anyone) going for a discount is on the back of tangible playoff success for the Spurs. Especially considering Fox's ties to San Antonio, it would be the best possible outcome, while ensuring the Spurs have a solid contending present in Fox + Durant, and can also transition into the "future" of Castle + Harper (with Wemby being a constant, of course) in a few years.
It's high time to put some chips on the table.
Like a rookie of the year award in 2025 warrants a max contract in 2028. What a dumbo
There’s a better chance that Trae is elsewhere.
Regardless of how ty the Eastern Conference is perceived to be, the Hawks have just as much of a chance to be in the lottery again. It’ll be between the same teams for that 8th seed. Atlanta, Chicago, Miami and who knows, maybe Philadelphia will have Embiid, George and McCain all back and be in the Play-In. For as much as the Trae Young fanboys were whining about how losing Johnson was too much to overcome and how great the Hawks looked before his injury, his games missed don’t even compare to what Orlando and Philadelphia experienced. Atlanta isn’t leapfrogging any of the top 7 teams no matter how much Spurstalk loves Trae Young. I guess y’all are hoping Milwaukee falls off but that’s still just wishful thinking.
Agree. Philly should jump Atlanta, I think Toronto makes a moderate leap with better health and Ingram addition. They could end up equal or better than Hawks record.
The only teams garuanteed to be worse than the Hawks are Washington, Charlotte, Brooklyn. In the West it’s only Utah.
Next years Hawks pick could be anywhere from 5-14 imo. I’m bullish on it.
Just make sure we're better than ATL so the swap actually conveys, pls
I told you already, bend down, I'll show you a dumboLike a rookie of the year award in 2025 warrants a max contract in 2028. What a dumbo
It’s a closer call. Orlando needs to fix its shooting woes, Milwaukee may lose its star, Philly is injured, Heat may land KD, and Boston’s financial situation (plus Tatums injury) makes them a wildcard.
I think our best outcome is we’re awesome, and ATL whiffs in the play-in again.
I guess that's what your father told you when you were youngerI told you already, bend down, I'll show you a dumbo
I pencil them in at max just as a kind of worst case money wise to show that it's probably not going to be a problem with money until 29-30 (when Harper would be due an extension). At that point if Castle and Harper are max players then you have to trade either Fox or one of them since it would be nearly impossible to avoid the two aprons at that point with at least 108% of the cap invested in four players. So the Spurs have plenty of time to figure things out with the three of them.
Atlanta has to fix their defensive woes. Atlanta might lose their star. The Hawks aren’t any more of a contender in the East than Chicago or Miami. This whole worst case scenario perspective of all the Eastern Conference except Atlanta in order to prop up Trae Young is strange. As far as us being awesome I’ve become disheartened with all the tanking in recent years, but the ping pong balls continue to go in our favor so it’s just about being patient. I think the Spurs and Hawks win totals will be within a few games again so it won’t make much of a difference. We sneak in as an 8th seed (hopefully) and Atlanta loses out in the Play In once again. I think that’s the most realistic outcome.
I think they both can be valuable staying here with the Spurs. There is no negative in keeping them both. I get that people can say that their positions overlap, but that isn't the way the game is played these days. There is still some potential for them to get taller, so they may be swappable at the 1-3 slots. All I am hoping for is a solid rebounder who can set mean picks. That will solve a lot of the Spurs issues from last season. Shooting 3's so much is only as effective as the opponents rebounding ability. If every missed 3 is rebounded by the defending team, then it's efficiency drops as a strategy imo. If that is combined with the ability of having a lineup featuring 3 ball handlers, the transition game could be sick af.
Castles shooting is so bad.
I’m not exactly sure where this desire to trad away one of castle or Harper came from. There has been plenty of two PGl lineups. Sometimes they work some times they don’t. Reality is that nobody knows who is the one or if they can work together.
Norm Nixon and magic won two les together before Nixon was sent out for Scott (that worked out well). Harden and Westbrook or harden and CP3 sort of worked. White and holiday won a le. Kyrie and doncic worked surprisingly well even though you can argue kyrie is more a sg.
These two PG lineups usually works when one of the two is a big point. Both castle and Harper can big for a PG and castle didn’t even player point in college or in his rookie year.
I also remember the cavs panicked and shipped out Kevin Johnson because they already have mark price. They certainly could’ve showcased and increased the price for KJ prior to shipping him out
This seems like a great opportunity to continue my propaganda campaign:
Castle is a SF
Castle being a SF makes sense. He’s got the size and speed to play the position without giving up too much. The only draw back is that he will lose his size advantage over other PGs.
In my opinion castle playing PG at the end of the season is akin to sochan playing PG at the beginning of year two. It isn’t necessarily prepping him for the role but more to see what he can or cannot do in a decision making role. Castle passed the test while sochan didn’t. But to say castle is destined to be a PG based on those few games is a big stretch and I’d be really concerned if the spurs are actually thinking that.
While castle out up solid raw numbers during that stretch, his efficiency and +/- were dreadful. PG is a tough position to learn and castle did pretty well for a rookie. What was impressive though was that he was able to improve in decision as the experiment went on. With him as a secondary play maker, whether as a SG or SF, can only be a positive.
I also am starting to think the importance of shooting is a bit overblown. First, the spurs were middle of the league in 3P shooting and attempts. Second, it’s not like players aren’t allowed to move when there are no shooters. Sure it’s tougher, but fox was never a great shooter playing for a team that was even worse than the spurs in 3 pt shooting and he can get in the paint at will. Castle attacked the paint just fine last year. Even spurstalk whipping boys sochan and Wesley were able to go in the paint at a decent clip, just that they werent that great finishing. Having players like fox, castle and Harper constantly applying pressure will wear all but the best defences down.
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