Spurs' Seeding for the 2025-2026 Season

[scott]

So who are we getting rid of then next year? Bc if we can’t make it with this group that means we failed in our pre-Wemby drafts. Do we get rid of Vassell? KJ? Sochan? 2 outta 3?

Gotta give these guys more time to make their respective Year 7, 8 and 5 leaps.

[Brazil]

So who are we getting rid of then next year? Bc if we can’t make it with this group that means we failed in our pre-Wemby drafts. Do we get rid of Vassell? KJ? Sochan? 2 outta 3?

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.

[Brazil]

Gotta give these guys more time to make their respective Year 7, 8 and 5 leaps.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.

It's apparent that many here (not necessarily you) are HOPING for quite a bit. Hoping that Sochan develops into a better 3D player, hoping that Fox/Wemby turn into a dynamic duo (and Wemby is fully healthy), hoping that Castle develops a shot. . .

It's never to predict based on hope. I EXPECT Sochan to be a defensive player only (who doesn't really rebound), that Castle will get better at scoring but not necessarily at shooting and that next year we will need to use FRPs to rid ourselves of larger contract players (Vassell, KJ) as needed.

This team is easily 2 (maybe 3) solid 3 pt shooters and a rebounding PF/C away from a realistic playoff contention.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.

No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its ing history of winning and just seem content on being . We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the le. But we better be ing compe ive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

[scott]

No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its ing history of winning and just seem content on being . We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the le. But we better be ing compe ive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

Yep... as some of us (including you) have been saying for awhile now, this whole "patience, don't skip steps" mentality coming from the FO only benefits the same FO who are saying it. It's best to lower all expectations early, lest there be any kind of accountability should they not be met. So long as the Spurs FO are allowed to set their own expectations, they never have to worry about not meeting them. Holt Jr seems content to let RC and Pop do whatever they want as far as the basketball product is concerned.

[LeBowen]

We have a top 10 player in Wemby.

Top5 I'd say.
We would've surely been in the play-in this seasons if not for his health issue.

From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times.

And why is that so? Because we always had a franchise player who was a top5 player in the league.
From the moment Spurs joined the NBA Iceman was a top5 player and hard carried those subpar rosters.
Then he declined, got traded and Spurs would've probably been relocated if not for Admiral lottery.
The same thing happened with Admiral, carry jobs and subpar supporting casts.
Timmy was the first franchise player who had good enough teammates to win.
When he retired, nephew was the next in line and we know how that went.

Point being that Spurs weren't competing because they were a well ran organization ever since 1973 like for example Pacers or Jazz always tried to compete, but because Spurs were lucky enough to almost always have a top5 player in the league on their roster.
No franchise player equalled no playoffs.

Healthy Wemby is already a monster, he'll only get better and the odds of not making the playoffs if he plays 70+ games are really low. A series of catastrophic cir stances would have to happen.
These 5 or so years have been so traumatizing that we started overrating other average teams. As I wrote earlier, I can't understand people rating veteran rosters that have fundamental flaws higher than the Spurs for the regualr season.
Especially when we've seen a lot of young teams without star power grinding regular seasons out on nothing but high energy. And we'll have star power.

[RC_Drunkford]

one has to take into account that the Spurs have been bull ting the past 2 seasons. When we got Wemby Pop started sabotaging the roster by playing everybody at point except Tre Jones. That roster was better than their record if it wasn't for Pop's experiments.

Last season was the same: they got CP3 and Barnes, played compe ive, then got Fox and kept starting CP3 cause it was promised to him. Then Wemby is out for the season and we have no center at all. Wait way too long past the deadline to pick up Biyombo and still don't have a back up. That roster was also way better than their record.

Now they added Harper, Kornet and Bryant and added 2 great defensive coaches in Sweeney and Williamson. The only thing I don't like is that there are upgrades for the forward spots available that don't cost you assets and they still don't pick them up. Other than that this team should be much better going forward.

[baseline bum]

I got news for you buddy...you won't believe this

I still can't ing believe it. Though even more incredible that they failed upwards into winning the trade now with Flagg.

[Leetonidas]

8th seed, 46-48 wins imo (assuming good health)

[Brazil]

No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its ing history of winning and just seem content on being . We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the le. But we better be ing compe ive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

Man, I just said play in would not be a failure. Then when in the play in all can happen, you can meet a top dog there under specific circunstances like injuries of a major player in the beginning of the year... POs direct you have to be 6th seed I believe (not even sure ), qualifying to the play in being 8th for instance that was the cut before is ok for me. It is not a matter of mentality just being realistic.

[KobesAchilles]

Man, I just said play in would not be a failure. Then when in the play in all can happen, you can meet a top dog there under specific circunstances like injuries of a major player in the beginning of the year... POs direct you have to be 6th seed I believe (not even sure ), qualifying to the play in being 8th for instance that was the cut before is ok for me. It is not a matter of mentality just being realistic.

Realistically we have enough top talent to make the playoffs rather easily. The reasons we would be relegated to the play in is bc of our ty drafting pre-Wemby, our lack of even trying to get a PF, DV as a starter, and the coach being a complete newbie.

These are all a symptom of a bad mindset from the FO. Losers say baby steps. And that’s what this FO is acting like. A bunch of losers content on making the playoffs rather play-in. Baby steps is not missing the playoffs 3 years in a row. That’s just scared to even take a step.

[Brazil]

Realistically we have enough top talent to make the playoffs rather easily. The reasons we would be relegated to the play in is bc of our ty drafting pre-Wemby, our lack of even trying to get a PF, DV as a starter, and the coach being a complete newbie.

These are all a symptom of a bad mindset from the FO. Losers say baby steps. And that’s what this FO is acting like. A bunch of losers content on making the playoffs rather play-in. Baby steps is not missing the playoffs 3 years in a row. That’s just scared to even take a step.

I mean bro I was in the camp of trading 2 for Giannis but I was in a clear minority. Other moves could have been made like trading for Durant but another direction has been taken, so with what we have a play in would be fine imho fwiw

[KobesAchilles]

I mean bro I was in the camp of trading 2 for Giannis but I was in a clear minority. Other moves could have been made like trading for Durant but another direction has been taken, so with what we have a play in would be fine imho fwiw

I was too. Still am