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no way man, i meant other posters in this thread, who i originally was addressing before you mentioned Tookie
my bad
Did you just accuse me of wearing "religious sunglasses?" If so, you make very large assumptions.
Ordinarily, I am against the death penalty, simply because of its high cost to taxpayers, but since we made it this far ... what the , lets toss the "religious" people a bone.
no way man, i meant other posters in this thread, who i originally was addressing before you mentioned Tookie
my bad
I don't have to prove how good the Naacp has been. THey've helped black people alot. But like any other man made ins ution, they all lose their objective in one way or another from time to time. ANd that's what i meant by my "not so sure" statement.
You don't have to be conservative to dislike the Naacp. Many Libertarians, don't like the Naacp because it has become a front for the Nanny state type of policies. There are some liberals who are passive and indifferent about the NAACP for their own personal reasons. And then you have the public. The public now sees the NAACP as an apologist for the lower class african american communities ills. They do not see them as an effective tool for equality like before. The vast majority of the public including some Liberals oppose a qouta system for affirmative action, but the NAACP won't compromise on that issue. There are social conservative blacks who happen to be traditionally democrat and fiscal liberals who are turned of by the NAACP's and SCL's very liberal policies on abortion and gay rights.
I don't know if you're black or not. But one needs to stop putting the NAACP on a high pedestal. They are not faultless.
I don't agree with the NAACP's partisan nature. The organization does not accurately reflect the Black voter demographic. The black voter demographic is aligned with pro life issues, and school vouchers even though they are liberal in other areas.
Has the NAACP been effective and nonpartisan like it was in the sixties when it cooperated with Republicans and Democrats. NO.
Is the NAACP infallible and the word of the Almigthy.<sarcasm>..NO!
And about the death penalty. Nothing that short of Torture would atone for the deaths of Tookie's victums. Life in prison is a joke. Tried being hacked to death and die a horrible death, there is no comparison, and it's ludicrous to suggest that justice is served by a life sentence.
1) They don't kill them immediately. As we see here, it takes decades to work through the death row process.
2) Our system has a lot of legal safeguards. There is a lengthy appeals process that chews up a lot of money, even though some of the legal representation for the inmate is pro bono.
That is what costs money. We could make it a good deal less expensive by just taking them outside and shooting them in the back of the head immediately following the guilty verdict, like some countries do. The trade-off would be that more innocent people would be executed. It's always about tradeoffs.
Anyway, back to the cost thing, some folks are willing to pay a little more in taxes in exchange for the satisfaction of having people like Tookie Williams executed.
x a billion.
But noone said that. All I'm saying is that its wrong to claim that because it's not a perfect organization that it is a bad organization.
What perfect organizations are there out there? Besides conservationism
You can find negatives in any organization.
But the positives need to be considered as well.
First of all conservationism is a different animal. That's the Sierra Club and all the "Save the National Forest" type. Conservatism is what you're probably intending. And no there is not a perfect conservative organization. But i will list you one. The Cato Ins ute, for their scholarly work on fiscal conservative economic policies.
Ok, let me ask you then, what has the NAACP done for blacks lately? I want specifics.
And another question would be as to what have they accomplished recently?
The NAACP has had it's glory days. Attacking the NAACP today is not attacking black people, you seem to take it that way. You need to distinguish the two and be more objective.
First of all conservationism is a different animal. That's the Sierra Club and all the "Save the National Forest" type. Conservatism is what you're probably intending. And no there is not a perfect conservative organization. But i will list you one exceptional organization. The Cato Ins ute, for their scholarly work on fiscal conservative economic policies, and defense of supply side economics.
Ok, let me ask you then, what has the NAACP done for blacks lately? I want specifics.
And another question would be as to what have they accomplished recently?
The NAACP has had it's glory days. Attacking the NAACP today is not attacking black people, you seem to take it that way. You need to distinguish the two and be more objective.
Damn Gtown, that was a well-thought out logical and coherent argument.
What happened to the Gtown we used to know, the one who would reply with some insult involving sexuality? I miss those days.
I think he only likes Me that way. But be cautious.Damn Gtown, that was a well-thought out logical and coherent argument.
What happened to the Gtown we used to know, the one who would reply with some insult involving sexuality? I miss those days.
It should not be for us to prove how the NAACP has done good but rather how it is "a joke" which is the topic of the thread and still has not been proved.
I don't find fault in what the NAACP is doing. They push the bounds of people's rights for the people in the same way that the judicial system pushes the bounds for limiting those freedoms. I support the death penalty in this case, as to me it seems a suitable punishment for the crime committed. I am weary of allowing his sentence to be commuted to life for two reasons. Who decides that a person deserves to get a lesser sentence? What does this mean for those already serving sentences?
McNabb answers critical column from NAACP leader
link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2258970
Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb has expressed surprise and disappointment after hearing of racially-charged criticism made by Philadelphia NAACP president J. Whyatt Mondesire in a Nov. 27 column in the Philadelphia Sun.
Mondesire, the Sun's publisher and editor, wrote that McNabb is a "mediocre talent" who tries to disguise his ineffectiveness behind "some concocted reasoning" that African-American quarterbacks who scramble are somehow lesser "field generals."
McNabb, who endured Rush Limbaugh's comments just a few years earlier, was baffled by Mondesire remarks.
"Especially being the same color I am," McNabb told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Obviously if it's someone else who is not African-American, it's racism. But when someone of the same race talks about you because you're selling out because you're not running the ball, it goes back to what are we really talking about here?
"If you talk about my play, that's one thing. When you talk about my race, now we've got problems. If you're trying to make a name off my name, again, I hope your closet is clean because something is going to come out about you ... I always thought the NAACP supported African-Americans and didn't talk bad about them. Now you learn a little bit more."
Mondesire also claimed that McNabb's "failure as a team leader off the field" led to the Terrell Owens situation. If McNabb "had the courage to offer only a tiny fraction" of his bonus to Owens and running back Brian Westbrook, Mondesire wrote, the "media circus" could have been avoided.
"When you go deep into that, or say I didn't stick up for someone, or why didn't I give a little bit of my money to someone else who is making money, you try to find an answer for that," McNabb told the Phialdelphia Daily News. "There's no answer that I've found."
McNabb plans to move on from Mondesire's column, but for the first time in his Eagles' tenure, McNabb has to answer questions about locker room leadership.
"This season was a tough season from the beginning," McNabb told the Inquirer. "People may blame it on just one particular person, but ... it's something that kind of spread in the locker room.
"There's never been a question of me losing the locker room until this year. If I've lost the locker room, then the question goes up why. Is it because now people are starting to look at me sideways for what I've been doing, or what I make, or whatever he had a problem with? That's the question I'm trying to get answered: If I've lost the locker room or not? No answer has come my way.
"But I do know the main reason we're not a good team is because we don't play as a team. Everybody has to realize that in order for us to get back to the Super Bowl and win it, we all have to play well together. You never heard anything like this coming from the Indianapolis Colts. You never heard anything like this coming from the New England Patriots. Baltimore, when they won the Super Bowl, they never had anything like this."
You are on the right side of things, but something I will never understand is why people think death is a greater penalty than life in prison. It provides the prisoner with an easy escape from the he already is confined to. I just don't get it. This is what I was talking about earlier. Alot of people who are pro-death penalty think it's the greatest punishment. It isn't.
A man cannot suffer when he is dead.
He cannot feel pain when he is dead.
He cannot be punished when he is dead.
The NAACP still does good work.
, I've been asking for specifics from the Bush administation and have gotten squat!
Being married to a beautiful African-American wife I'm proud of my children's heritage.
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