Nazr + Beno. Otherwise, pass.
Why have a roll player like Bowen (great defensive player lacks offense) when you could have a two way impact player like Artest...(great defensive player, good offensive player)
I AM NOT SAYING THIS TRADE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR THAT I EVEN WANT IT TO, JUST POINTING SOMETHING OUT.
Pacers are looking for young talent. I heard somewhere that they would probably trade Artest for a young talent that they think will be very good in a few years.
If I were the Pacers, I would try to get SG, PF or C. They don't have much depth at those spots. Especially at the C spot, they don't have anyone that is good and plus Foster, Pollard, Croshere (undersized) are kinda old.
If the two-way impact player is a loon who is going to leave you in two years anyway....
Since when is 28 old?
I think Artest just needs a fresh start...A place where people are nice & friendly & understanding & don’t throw things at players...Staples Center comes to mind...I have it on good authority... (PLEASE DON’T ASK) me to reveal my sources....That the Lakers are talking to Indiana right now...Slava, Devean George & maybe a draft pick for Artest....Ron would have a chance to flourish as the 4th option behind Kobe, Lamar & Smush...
Translation: Lakers are offering Trash, Garbage and a lottery pick for Artest.
LOL, if Artest is your 4th option can you really afford to have TWO starters continually scoring 0 points against teams like the wolves?
No Way do i believe that the kings would consider peja/artest at this stage. They can get better. Plus Artest, Bonzi, and Brad Miller would make the blazers of yesteryear look like Ghandi.
Oh yeah, one more thing: I don't know how any self-respecting Spurfan who witnessed Rodman's abandonment of this team could possibly entertain the notion of taking on a guy who sabotaged his team's chances at the championship two years in a row.
ESPN.com
Dec 13, 2005
Link: ESPN
NBA Rumor Central: Artest Scuttlebutt
Dec 13 - The Indianapolis Star reports, the Pacers put Ron Artest on the inactive list for at least the next three games and took an extra step: He can't practice or travel with the team. Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said Monday he'll try to grant Artest's request, but emphasized he'll remain selective.
One of the more plausible scenarios could be a deal for former Pacer, Al Harrington.
According to Geoff Petrie, the Kings and Pacers have not discussed any deal involving Artest and Kings forward Peja Stojakovic. "We don't have any trade discussions going on with anybody at the present time," Petrie told the Sacramento Bee. Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, also said he had "no knowledge" of dealings between the Kings and Pacers.
According to the Newark Star-Ledger, Larry Brown told reporters before last night's game that he would like to see Artest make amends with the Pacers. "I think he's a wonderful player," Brown said. "I hope they can work it out where he stays there. That's a terrific team. I hate to see that broken up."
The Willoughby News-Herald reports, LeBron James endorsed trying to bring Artest to Cleveland. "Any team in the league could use a player like Ron Artest," James said. "Any time you get a great player to mention a team you are a part of, it's flattering."
The Dallas Morning News reports, if you think Ron Artest would be good in Dallas, you might want to reassess your thoughts. Owner Mark Cuban and Avery Johnson both said the Mavericks are not headed in that direction. "We like our team," said Cuban.
Would the Hornets have any interest in Artest? "With as much activity that's going on now, I'm not going to comment on anything," Hornets general manager Jeff Bower told the New Orleans Times-Picayune.
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Also, Artest has just broadened his options by saying that he would go anywhere. Plus, Indiana might want to unload one of their contracts like Austin Croshere.
I heard that Walsh said they will keep Artest on the inactive list until he's traded
According to Artest's words, he wants to end up at New York and Cleveland!
He said that at the end of his contract he will leave anyway to one of these destinations! It doesn't make any sense for other teams to trade for him, he's such a nutcase!
Last edited by Admidave50; 12-13-2005 at 10:11 PM.
ummm, he's under contract for a few more years, not like its a few months.
how many years exactly?
Last edited by Admidave50; 12-13-2005 at 11:42 PM.
San Antonio Express-News
By Mike Monroe
Dec 14, 2005
Link: Express-News
Artest's trade logic runs short of common sense
It was just one week ago, in this very space, when we discussed how difficult it is to trade a player who states publicly that he wants to be moved.
Pacers' forward Ron Artest, it appears, doesn't subscribe to the Express-News.
Artest went public with his trade demand a few days ago, and the Pacers have put him on their inactive list, with pay. Making matters worse for the Pacers, Artest said he preferred to go East, and vowed that if the Pacers move him to a Western Conference team, he definitely would opt out of his contract when he is eligible to do so, after the 2006-07 season.
If you want to get traded, why make it doubly hard?
Of course, where Artest is concerned, logic just does not compute.
Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh says the team will try to accommodate Artest and send him packing but won't operate in panic mode. Walsh is one of the smartest men ever to make basketball decisions in the NBA, so count on the Pacers to turn the chicken droppings Artest has presented them into some pretty tasty chicken salad, though it won't be easy.
"When players come out and ask publicly for a trade, it makes it tougher, just in general," Denver Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said. Vandeweghe knows a thing or two about how difficult it is. One of his own players, Voshon Lenard, did the same thing not so long ago, which is what prompted last week's column in the first place.
Some NBA executives argue that Artest is one of the league's 10 best players, something some of us always felt gives too much credit to his combination of skills and intensity, while ignoring what always seemed to be his glaring need for self-promotion and general wackiness. That intensity, in fact, made him defensive player of the year for the 2003-04 season, in no small measure because coach Rick Carlisle waged a telephone campaign on his behalf, personally calling most of the media members who vote for the postseason awards. His skills, at both ends of the court, are unquestioned.
Most NBA executives, though, also understand that taking on a player with the kind of off-the-court baggage Artest brings with him risks alienating both a stable locker room and a fan base that prefers its players to be less, um, flighty.
It is evident that one key Pacer, All-Star power forward Jermaine O'Neal, is shedding no tears about the fact Artest has been de-activated. O'Neal is one of the league's true "stand-up" guys. When you wear him out, you succeed only in diminishing yourself.
Artest has become the NBA's version of Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens: A me-first guy whose amazing individual skills just don't translate well to a team game. How to now get proper value in return for him, especially after his public demand, is a knotty problem for Walsh and Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird.
There is no shortage of suggestions as to how the Pacers can deal him. The most popular rumor flying around the Internet on Tuesday had Sacramento's Peja Stojakovic going to Indiana, straight up, for Artest. Maybe that is because Bird once called Stojakovic the NBA's best shooter, and because the Kings are off to a horrid start this season.
Know this, though: As of Tuesday afternoon, there had been nary a single conversation between the Kings and the Pacers, about Artest or anyone else, and that is not speculation.
Expect things on the Artest front burner to heat up Thursday, when players traded over the summer are eligible to be traded again. And have no doubt some team will take the aforementioned risks.
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Someone said Artest has two years left on his contract.
Indiana Has Always Been A Fan Of Oberto ($2.50 On The High End Lets Say) And Barry ($4.5). I Think They Might Bite At It. Donnie Has Always Liked Players With Potential In The Dale Davis For O'neal Trade That Was Made Know. Oberto Has Potential And Barry Would Be A Nice Compliment Player And Could Fill It Up From Outside When Hes On. But Is Indiana Willing To Accept Two Players In Their 30's, And Can Pop Get Artest Under Control, If He Can, I Think That The Spurs Would Be One Tough Team.
I think the Spurs are already one tough team.
linkRumors and speculation had made its way to the Warriors locker room prior to Tuesday's game. One player said he was told of a scenario of the Warriors sending small forward Mike Dunleavy and center Adonal Foyle to the Pacers for Artest and center Jeff Foster, whom the Warriors drafted in the first round (No. 21) of the 1999 draft and immediately traded his rights to Indiana for the rights to guard Vonteego mings and a future pick.
The numbers match, as the Pacers' pair will earn $11.8 million this season and the Warriors' pair will make $11.9 million. Because both teams are over the salary cap, the contracts only have to come to within 25 percent of each other instead of the usual 15 percent. Also, Dunleavy and whichever one of the Warriors' younger talents -- i.e., forward/center Andris Biedrins, forward Zarko Cabarkapa, swingman Mickael Pietrus -- Indiana wants would fit. Guard Derek Fisher could be traded straight up for Artest, although it would certainly take a draft pick or a young talent to make it worth the Pacers' while.
Artest wants to go where he can be more of a scorer? So in SA he is going to take shots away from Duncan, Manu and Parker?
Why would Pop and Co. want to screw up the chemistry we have here? Spurs player generally = unselfish. Artest? No thanks.
I wanted him back when Indy was willing to take Steve Smith for him and Ron Mercer but not now.
artest also said he wouldn't mind backing up lebron the day after he said he needed to be showcased offensively. he is not going to be traded to a team he wants to be traded to, and you can't believe anything he says. reggie miller said on the dan patrick show monday that donnie will work hard to get him traded... to a crappy team, like he deserves. miller said he loves artest, but the way he has handled this ruined his chances of getting what he wants.
Ron Artest is mentally ill. He needs medication and intensive therapy. Unless he gets both, he will totally and shred any team stupid enough to be drawn to his talent flame. He can't help it. It's what he does.
This is the story of the scorpion who needs to get across the creek and the frog whom he asks for a ride.
"I can't trust you," the frog says.
Sure you can," the scorpion says, hopping on the frog's back.
Midway across, the scorpion stings the frog.
"Why would you do that?" the frog asks, sinking toward the bottom. "Now we're both gonna die."
Scorpion: "I can't help it. I'm a scorpion. It's my nature."
Last edited by exstatic; 12-15-2005 at 12:22 AM.
If Artest wasn't a head-case he'd be a top-10 player in this league and no one would ever dream of letting him go.
I think the warriors would be really dangerous if they could land artest like that. Running a lineup of Davis, Richardson, Artest, Murphy, and Foster out there would be formidable, with good scoring, a lockdown defender, athleticism, and decent interior play. And the Wariors have been bad for so long, if a move like this could make them a contender it might be worth the risk.
ESPN Radio just said one of the teams interested is the Spurs, and supposedly "The Pacers want Oberto and Barry"
If thats all they want?
Damn. Do the trade.
Barry=Hot Dog
Oberto=Coke
Do it Pop.
No ing way. I wouldn't trade Steve Smith and Vinny DelNegro for Artest's psycho ass. Sometimes it works out (ie, Sheed), but no way I'm doing anything to mess with a team on pace for 66 wins coming off a le with all it's top players back for the chance to be a little better. Not after seeing how Rodman threw away our shot at the 95 le.
Without the trade for Mohammed, Indiana would have probably been the best team in the league last year. The way Artest ruined that was disgusting.
Man, I hope your kidding. If we do that trade I'll be really upset. First of all, it will completely screw up team chemistry, and I don't really need or want truwarrior on my team. Where will his shots come from? Parker's layups? Manu? Duncan? Their are many reasons Bowen is preferrable on this team to Artest, including the fact that he plays within the system, doesn't demand shots, can really hit the three, and never, EVER complains. He doesn't deserve to be benched for that freakshow, and Artest would demand to start on our team. Class and character DO matter in this league.
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