The F-22 Raptor is Now Operational

[Oh, Gee!!]

Chinese what?

[Marklar MM]

When are we going to develop bullets and missles that can be fired whilst traveling at speeds above mach 5?

When the great war comes in a few years against china we better not be at the bottom of the technological ladder...I will not have my country bested by a bunch of ing Chinese

That would most likely be WW3...end of the world.

[SA210]

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Chinese what?

math students

[Oh, Gee!!]

why you gotta hate on s?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Because they are citizens of a country that is the biggest threat to my own and are (for lack of a better word) ridiculously overpopulated

[MannyIsGod]

lol @ math students.

Nice.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Because they are citizens of a country that is the biggest threat to my own and are (for lack of a better word) ridiculously overpopulated

rid your heart of hate.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

lol you gotta be kidding me
you just called them s yourself
at least i don't degrade them

[Oh, Gee!!]

lol you gotta be kidding me
you just called them s yourself
at least i don't degrade them

no, you just want them all dead

[Cant_Be_Faded]

if china, india, and china/india wannabes all achieved the ability to give their citizens the quality of life that we as americans take for granted then---nothing

we would suffer

Because other life qualities will deteriorate far before they achieve American status....
its economically and scientifically impossible for everyone on earth to enjoy an american standard of living


theres too many god damn people in those countires

[Brodels]

if china, india, and china/india wannabes all achieved the ability to give their citizens the quality of life that we as americans take for granted then---nothing

we would suffer

Because other life qualities will deteriorate far before they achieve American status....
its economically and scientifically impossible for everyone on earth to enjoy an american standard of living


theres too many god damn people in those countires

How is it scientifically impossible?

[Oh, Gee!!]

CBF knows nothing about science. don't ask him

[chode_regulator]

So, you ask the question then I answer it and you say you had already answered it. Alrighty then.

If I'm Captian Obvious you're captian Oblivious but whatever.

The B2 was probably used in the first stages of the war, but I doubt its been used in years. Theres no point.

what question did i ask. in my first post i said this is not an air war.

[chode_regulator]

The F22 can't take off vertically. It does have STOL (short take off/landing) capabilities.

With the vectored thrust engines it can take off on a much shorter runway/rollout than is required for older fighters like the F15 and F16.

what he said
and i know theyve outfitted some 16s with the thrust vectoring capability but im not sure if that was for use in the future for 16s or to help test designs for the jsf/f22

[MannyIsGod]

I think it was more of an experimental thing than an actual new design but I'm too lazy to look it up.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How is it scientifically impossible?

Just think of the amount of land and resources that contribute to the average American lifestyle for 1 year.

If you extrapolate the information, there simply is not enough land and on the surface of the world to support our current world population leading an American style of life.

wikipedia up "ecological footprint"

[MannyIsGod]

i meant not fully operational. the osprey is also operational but isnt going anywhere anytime soon. it takes time to start crossing over squardons from one airframe to another. it doesnt happen overngiht. i highly doubt we'll see the f22 in a war theater anytime soon. perhaps MIG you would like to show me evidence saying otherwise. in fact nowhere have i even seen the f22 is operational at all.
and how did i just regurgitate what most others had said before me. i actually said the opposite on a lot of it.

ok heres an article saying they are operational. at one point a general said they would go to war if we went to war tomorow. well, newsflash general, we are at war. then they say they arent going anywhere til june and are going to be deployed to alaska.
i doubt this thing wil be in war anytime soon.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i know theyve outfitted some 16s with the thrust vectoring capability but im not sure if that was for use in the future for 16s or to help test designs for the jsf/f22

That was just for test/demonstration for the Joint Strike Fighter. One of my friends was the project manager for thrust vectoring testing on the F16. He worked on the B2 project for that, and now he's working on black ops stuff. I'm jealous...

[1369]

Thrust vectoring, big whoop, the Harrier has been able to vector in forward flight for over two decades.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, but with a lot less power and ty avionics. The AOA this baby can achieve are nuts.

[1369]

I'd be curious to see if the pilot can actually push the F-22 to its full limit. I remember reading Dale Brown a few years back write about how an aircraft can actually exceed what the human body can withstand. In his book the pilots were reclined to limit the effect of G-Force.

[MannyIsGod]

The thrust vectoring would be more usefull at slow speeds I believe. It allows you to point the aircraft in directions that would otherwise make you stall at those speeds. Anyhow, the point being if you're moving slowly then you're not going to have horrible G forces.

[chode_regulator]

I'd be curious to see if the pilot can actually push the F-22 to its full limit. I remember reading Dale Brown a few years back write about how an aircraft can actually exceed what the human body can withstand. In his book the pilots were reclined to limit the effect of G-Force.

yeah weve had aircraft that have been able to do that for a while. i thikn the max a pilot can take, for a short period of time is like 8 or 9 g's. but dont quote me on that.

Thrust vectoring, big whoop, the Harrier has been able to vector in forward flight for over two decades.

i wouldnt compare the harrier to a f22 on any aspect of flight or attack. adn the harrier is not that great at its thrust vectoring and si limited by alot of factors.
it is kinda wierd to see it come in and land while its only going like 30 knots, defies reasoning of aircraft knowledge.

[chode_regulator]

whats your point? i said i dont htink it will be in war anytime soon in the first post. then in the second i admitted i was wrong and that it was operttional and was making fun of the genrral for saying he would go to war with it tomorow if we were at war? what does he think iraq is?

edit:this is in reference to mannys post about 6 posts above this one. i cant quote his quote for some reason so....