More Craziness from Pat Robinson (err...Robertson)

[gtownspur]

Please note I had "religion" in quotes, which means not true religion, but the very American "religion" which is pure money-grubbing, I-make-you-feel-good-so-you-pay-me, hustling, scamming, move-the-merchandise show-business.

Boutons are you gunning for the "anti american of the year" plaque for the second straight year?

It seems to all of us that you believe that corrupt religion is only patently american.

Sorry my freind, but Jesus did not overturn the tables and scatter the merchants in an american protestant mainline church, it was in a hebrew temple. American religion is no worse than european or other foreign religion, all of them have their pros and cons.

[Nbadan]

About the only thing Ward Churchill and Pat Robinso..err...Robertson have in common is that they both receive more media attention that they deserve. People pay to hear Churchill speak knowing full well that his opinions are controversial and cutting-edge.

However, Pat Robertson attempts to cloak his extremists beliefs in a religious over-coat to try and make them smell better, and then he takes his zombie's money, keeps what he can, and tries to use the rest to further his own personal political agenda.

[gtownspur]

Pat Robertson and Churchill are not in the same boat NbaDan, this is where you fall off the logic rocket. Churchill approved the shedding of innocent blood, Pat Robertson only speaks violence against those who are already Powerful and influential.

Your "however.." should of included this main point, but you are blinded by your disdain for the greatness of this country. ANd i mean greatness as in Grand, huge, powerful, influential, etc

[Nbadan]

Churchill, like Harry Belafonte, and Cindy Sheehan were all just making the logical point that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. At one time, Osama Bin Laden was our freedom fighter until he decided to turn his private Jihad against the U.S. and the American people.

[boutons_]

January 11, 2006
Israel Breaks Off Tourism Talks With Pat Robertson

By GREG MYRE
JERUSALEM, Jan. 11 - Israel said today it was breaking off negotiations on a tourism project with the evangelical leader, Pat Robertson, in response to his remarks suggesting that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution.






"We cannot accept these statements, and we will not sign any contracts with Mr. Robertson," a spokesman for Israel's Tourism Ministry, Ido Hartuv, said.

Israel had been negotiating with a group of American evangelicals, including by Mr. Robertson, on a large Christian pilgrimage and tourism center in the hills near the Sea of Galilee, where the Bible says Jesus lived and preached.

Under the proposal, Israel planned to provide at least 35 acres for the Christian Heritage Center and the American evangelicals intended to raise about $50 million for its construction. A theme park, an auditorium and an outdoor theater were part of the plan, reports said.

Israel believes the project would draw large numbers of Christian tourists from around the world and create thousands of jobs in a thinly populated region that the government has long struggled to develop.

But Mr. Robertson upset many Israelis when he suggested that Mr. Sharon's devastating stroke, which he suffered Jan. 4, was divine punishment for pulling Israel out of the Gaza Strip last summer.

"God considers this land to be his," Mr. Robertson said on Jan. 5 on his "700 Club" television program. "For any prime minister of Israel who decides he will carve it up and give it away, God said, 'No, this is mine.' "

"I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course," the evangelist added.

Mr. Robertson also went on to say that Mr. Sharon is a "very likable person and I am sad to see him in this condition."

Christian evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel, and in recent years they have formed alliances with a variety of Israeli groups, particularly those opposed to any territorial concessions to the Palestinians. Israel has generally welcomed the political and financial support despite the theological differences.

"Evangelicals are the best friends of Israel and they are very, very welcome here," Mr. Hartuv said.

The discussions on the tourism project were in an advanced stage, though contracts had not yet been signed, Mr. Hartuv said. Israel will continue to pursue the project, he said, adding that "other leaders of the evangelical community are most welcome to do business with us."

Meanwhile, Mr. Sharon's condition improved slightly today, according to a statement by Jerusalem's Hadassah-Ein Kerem Hospital.

"We are pleased that there are small phases of development in the prime minister's condition," Dr. Yair Birenboim, a senior official at the hospital, told Army Radio.

Doctors have been reducing the level of anesthetic since Monday, with the intention of gradually bringing Mr. Sharon out of his medically induced coma. The prime minister remained lightly sedated today, the statement said.

Mr. Sharon, 77, is out of immediate danger, the doctors say, although they cannot yet assess how much damage he may have suffered.

The campaign for Israel's March 28 national elections have effectively been on hold since the prime minister's stroke a week ago. But the politicking has begun to pick up again.

A poll published today in Israel's Haaretz newspaper found that Mr. Sharon's recently established Kadima party has gained support in the past week despite the almost universal assumption that Mr. Sharon will not return to political life.

Several polls before and just after Mr. Sharon's stroke indicated that Kadima would win about 40 of the 120 seats in Parliament. Today's survey found that his a centrist party would take 44 seats.

Its closest rival, the left-leaning Labor Party, would get 16 seats, and the right-wing Likud party would take 13. The poll questioned 640 voters, but did not provide a margin of error.

In the West Bank, Israeli security forces scuffled in the rain and mud with some 300 Jewish settlers who tried to prevent the dismantling of an unauthorized settlement outpost south of Jerusalem.

The security forces eventually used tear gas to force out protesters who barricaded themselves inside one recently built home at the outpost, near the formal settlement of Neve Daniel. Six protesters were arrested, the police said.

Israel has pledged to remove the West Bank outposts. While it has taken down some, dozens remain, according to monitoring groups.

• Copyright 2006The New York Times Company

[Ocotillo]

When the heck did Ward Churchill get a TV show to expound upon his views? Did Ward Churchill run for President or any other national office as a major candidate for one of the two major political parties?

Ward Churchill is an insignificant boob who was brought to what little prominence he was by the right wing noise machine to use as stick to bash over the head of liberals, as if liberals were parroting Churchill's statements.

Pat Robertson was a major player for the Republican nomination for president when he suprised in Iowa early in the primary season. Pat Robertson gets invited to news programs to discuss his views on certain subjects.

Ward Churchill's notierity is by the hand of the right wing.

Comparing the two is like comparing Tom Tancedo (sp.) to an environmental protester sitting in a tree to protect it.

[gtownspur]

Churchill, like Harry Belafonte, and Cindy Sheehan were all just making the logical point that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. At one time, Osama Bin Laden was our freedom fighter until he decided to turn his private Jihad against the U.S. and the American people.

Yeah it's a know brainer that the enemy believes they do good, so did hitler. It's quite different to point out that the 911 victims had it coming to them like CHurchill pointed out.


There is no comparison Dan.

[gtownspur]

When the heck did Ward Churchill get a TV show to expound upon his views? Did Ward Churchill run for President or any other national office as a major candidate for one of the two major political parties?

Ward Churchill is an insignificant boob who was brought to what little prominence he was by the right wing noise machine to use as stick to bash over the head of liberals, as if liberals were parroting Churchill's statements.

Pat Robertson was a major player for the Republican nomination for president when he suprised in Iowa early in the primary season. Pat Robertson gets invited to news programs to discuss his views on certain subjects.

Ward Churchill's notierity is by the hand of the right wing.

Comparing the two is like comparing Tom Tancedo (sp.) to an environmental protester sitting in a tree to protect it.

Ward CHurchill was a professor of NAtive American Studies at Colorado U. BUt his influence went beyond ethnic studies. He was a political science guru to many undergraduates, and graduates at the top schools. Ward Churchill has written many books kin to Chomsky.

Pat Robertson's words do not damn innocent victims of 911, and since when did any of you give a flying lick about Sharone.

[boutons_]

Storms Payback From God, Nagin Says

Mayor Faults War, Blacks' Infighting

By Brett Martel
Associated Press
Tuesday, January 17, 2006; A04

NEW ORLEANS, Jan. 16 -- Mayor C. Ray Nagin suggested Monday that hurricanes Katrina and Rita and other storms were a sign that "God is mad at America" -- and at black communities, too, for tearing themselves apart with violence and political infighting.

"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."

Nagin, who is African American, also promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again. Many of the city's black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans -- the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority-African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

Nagin described an imaginary conversation with King, the late civil rights leader.

"I said, 'What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, 'I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, 'The thing we need to focus on as a community -- black folks I'm talking about -- is ourselves.' "

Nagin said he also asked: "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"

The reply, Nagin said, was "We as a people need to fix ourselves first."

Nagin also said King would have been dismayed with black leaders who are "most of the time tearing each other down publicly for the delight of many."

A day earlier, gunfire erupted at a parade to commemorate King's birthday. Three people were wounded in the daylight shooting amid a throng of mostly black spectators, but police said there were no immediate suspects or witnesses.

© 2006 The Washington Post Company