3 Homeless Beatings, 1 Dead

[SA210]

You know something lady, you put words into my mouth which I did not say.

Oh stop it, you have shown what you feel about the homeless and people in poverty in general, whether it's federal help, or through taxes or anything, you have shown how you feel, don't give me that trash.

I told you my feelings about most of these "homeless" people. Put them into ins utions where they could be helped. But people like you don't like that idea.

Talk about putting words in someones mouth, I never said not to get them help in such a way, my background in the matter would tell that there are many reasons why they are in their situation and that it's not a simple task in helping them, some ARE bums and free loaders, which are the ones that you are used to seeing asking for money for alcohol, these are the ones that you would like to believe as MOST of them, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Then there are those who try and stay out of Your way and hiding under bridges and other places, there are many with mental problems, and families with children. Many are Vets as well Xray, maybe Bush shouldn't have closed any VA hospitals, huh? Very patriotic

Another thing, don't group society. Crime is also committed on people with "homes" of all means, each and everyday.

What a dumb thing to say, but then again it's Xray I'm talking to. Of course there are crimes against anyone in society. You want a cookie for that? This was a hate crime against defensless homeless people and people feelings about that. You continue to show Your feelings about them though. Your still focused on what the homeless do and not the terrible crime that was committed against them. You really show your heart, but then again, you've admitted to being selfish and greedy before.

I sure don't feel any compassion for you or people like you.

You couldn't show compassion for Anyone unless they had blind Bush love and believed all the lies from the Republican party.

You really want to help, then
vote conservative, get conservative judges on the bench.

Right, that's it. Vote Republican, that's the answer for poor people. They care.

[xrayzebra]

Oh stop it, you have shown what you feel about the homeless and people in poverty in general, whether it's federal help, or through taxes or anything, you have shown how you feel, don't give me that trash.
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Once again putting words into my mouth, which I haven't said. Typical
of people like you.
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Talk about putting words in someones mouth, I never said not to get them help in such a way, my background in the matter would tell that there are many reasons why they are in their situation and that it's not a simple task in helping them, some ARE bums and free loaders, which are the ones that you are used to seeing asking for money for alcohol, these are the ones that you would like to believe as MOST of them, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Then there are those who try and stay out of Your way and hiding under bridges and other places, there are many with mental problems, and families with children. Many are Vets as well Xray, maybe Bush shouldn't have closed any VA hospitals, huh? Very patriotic



What a dumb thing to say, but then again it's Xray I'm talking to. Of course there are crimes against anyone in society. You want a cookie for that? This was a hate crime against defensless homeless people and people feelings about that. You continue to show Your feelings about them though. Your still focused on what the homeless do and not the terrible crime that was committed against them. You really show your heart, but then again, you've admitted to being selfish and greedy before.
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They also commit crimes against each other, do they not? My heart has
nothing to do with someone bashing the out of another person,
regardless of the social standing or means of the person doing the bashing
or being bashed. I was most gently trying to point out that bashing,
maining, killing, wounding anyone is a sad thing. But it happens in all
areas of society. Don't get upset when it just happens to one of "your"
people. Get upset when it happens to anyone.
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You couldn't show compassion for Anyone unless they had blind Bush love and believed all the lies from the Republican party.

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What a dumb statement!

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Right, that's it. Vote Republican, that's the answer for poor people. They care.

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Forty years of dimm-o-craptic dominance and eight years of Clinton
certainly didn't change much, did it? And BILLIONS of dollars put down
a rat hole hasn't solved the problem. You know maybe, just maybe,
if you and people like you really did try and help these people and quit
squalling and bellyaching about others helping, just worrying, like how
you could do more, you may really accomplish something.

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Now have a really nice day.

[Ms. Kaleidescope]

Good try SA210! Your logic makes perfect sense, and I applaude you for not pretending to be a robot like Mr. Kool-Aid dude. Unfortunately, he, and others, are a bunch of dumbasses so they can't understand anything you say... but, again, good try!

[turambar85]

OK, this is absolutely insane. I have never heard a more childish or ignorant argument than the one brew is presenting. Fine, hate the homeless all you want, that is your right, but to say that it is their fault for living on the streets is just foolish. That is like saying that it is the old womans fault that somebody broke into her house, robbed and shot her, because she did not have good locks on her door. If a crime is random and pointless than you can not place blame on an individual for being in the situation which enabled this to happen. Living on the streets and getting beaten with a baseball bat are not directly related, and there is not reason to expect that this would have happened to them. I won't get into this and get angry because I realize youre just posting to get a rise out of people because nobody is that stupid, but I felt it necessary just to throw a little post into the mix.

[SA210]

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Forty years of dimm-o-craptic dominance and eight years of Clinton
certainly didn't change much, did it? And BILLIONS of dollars put down
a rat hole hasn't solved the problem. You know maybe, just maybe,
if you and people like you really did try and help these people and quit
squalling and bellyaching about others helping, just worrying, like how
you could do more, you may really accomplish something.

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Now have a really nice day.

Xray, can you please learn to discuss something or learn to refute what I'm saying with some kind of logic or facts, ever? Is it even possible from you? I thought that you and gtown were just childish and resort to namecalling because someone sees things another way, but it actually seems a big problem with both of you than just a maturity problem. Your moral values, indeed.

You didn't even refute what I said with anything of substance, like always. You only say more bad things about the homeless or attack Democrats and you say that crimes are committed on other people as well and you ingore the facts that there are a variety of the homeless and that Bush (the Conservative party that we should vote for ) closed VA hospitals that would help homeless Vets. Nice try.

Yea, that shows your heart, again, Remember, You are the one that admitted to being a Greedy and Selfish man. Don't back pedal on your comments like the Kool-Aid guy.

[SA210]

Ms. Kaleidescope, turambar85, good posts, thanks

[xrayzebra]

Xray, can you please learn to discuss something or learn to refute what I'm saying with some kind of logic or facts, ever? Is it even possible from you? I thought that you and gtown were just childish and resort to namecalling because someone sees things another way, but it actually seems a big problem with both of you than just a maturity problem. Your moral values, indeed.

You didn't even refute what I said with anything of substance, like always. You only say more bad things about the homeless or attack Democrats and you say that crimes are committed on other people as well and you ingore the facts that there are a variety of the homeless and that Bush (the Conservative party that we should vote for ) closed VA hospitals that would help homeless Vets. Nice try.

Yea, that shows your heart, again, Remember, You are the one that admitted to being a Greedy and Selfish man. Don't back pedal on your comments like the Kool-Aid guy.

Yeah, okay. Like forty years of liberal junk and eight years of Clinton
are nothing of substance. I guess your right. But they are facts and
they certainly addressed the "poor people" issues and spent billions
to solve them. Only one problem, they didn't solve anything. Only
create more problems. Those are facts. Just quit wearing you heart
on you sleeve, do what you will with the poor issues. I will do what I
want and damn well wont get on here and Bragg about what I do
for anyone. I do what I do and as usual you have no idea. So take
you cares and arguments to someone who really cares. I will handle
things my way and you hand them your way. That is the American
way. Just get your damn hands out of my pockets. I know how to
spend my money my way, if you don't mind. I don't need you or
the swimmer to give me lessons or lectures. Morality my foot, look
who you people hold up as your idols. You wouldn't know morality if
it hit you in the face. And vets are taken care of very well. Don't
believe me go to Audie Murphy hospital and learn a little about
programs available to vets. All these homeless that claim to be vets,
well, saying your a vet don't make you one. Nor does getting an old
fatigue shirt or pants make you one. You depress me

[gtownspur]

Ms. Kaleidescope, turambar85, good posts, thanks

Translation: AWw.. That's better, my ass is a lot cleaner now.

[Ms. Kaleidescope]

Gtown, I know that since you like to see things in such ignorant, black & white terms that you naturally have a problem seeing anything outside of those outlines, but no...I do not believe that I was kissing ass, or that it was assumed by SA that we were doing so. I think a more logical answer, and therefore one that will be completely lost on you, is that we agreed with his view on the issue and made it clear.....and SA was surprised that somebody in this forum had some sense, and was tired of being the only person arguing a logical point of view, so he let his appreciation be known.

[Jamtas#2]

Is the debate in here about how to solve the homeless problem or about the fact that there are homeless people being attacked and even killed and whether or not that is a problem?
I most sincerely hope that no one in here is indifferent to people being brutally attacked for being homeless. No matter how far gone someone is mentally or even physically due to addiction, people are not props to play out real life versions of Grand Theft Auto where you can run up, beat the crap out of someone and then take off with no consequence.
As far as curing homelessness, as long as our planet has an economy, we will have homeless people. In a perfect utopian world, we could live as one great socialist world with peace and prosperity for all. But since there are those who choose wrong over right (good vs evil) that won't happen and we will continue to have to improve our current system and just try to help as many as possible.

[gtownspur]

You see this is why morons like SA210 will never hold a decent conversation with anyone he disagrees with.

He's an utter moron and nothing else. I am against welfare expansion, because it hurts poor people more than helps them. YEt, SOmehow this idiot managed to put words in my mouth of how I hate homeless people.

You see, if you're against welfare expansion, that makes you a serial killer who targets homeless people.

This is insane, and if anyone is supporting Sa210's logic then they don't have a ing clue and are a lost cause.

This moron also has accused me of never helping the poor. Excuse me mother er, i have family members who are poor that i have supported, i've participated in charity for the poor at my church. I've donated money and gifts as well as canned goods to starving families. Where the do you get the idea out of silence that i've never helped poor people and that i'm a hateful person?


I hope you get served by a homeless drunk during your charitous work, because even though you might help the cause, you severely hurt it as well.

[gtownspur]

Gtown, I know that since you like to see things in such ignorant, black & white terms that you naturally have a problem seeing anything outside of those outlines, but no...I do not believe that I was kissing ass, or that it was assumed by SA that we were doing so. I think a more logical answer, and therefore one that will be completely lost on you, is that we agreed with his view on the issue and made it clear.....and SA was surprised that somebody in this forum had some sense, and was tired of being the only person arguing a logical point of view, so he let his appreciation be known.

I saw no grand use of logic and understanding of nuances in your appraisal. You're wrong. SA210 is the one who views if you're for reducing welfare, that you want to see homeless people get clubbed. Please remove the plank from your own eye before you call one else blind.

[xrayzebra]

I don't know of a single soul that supports, wishes or otherwise would support
anyone beating up on homeless people. Or others for that matter. SA210 always
comes across as someone who thinks she is the only authority on the homeless.
She says that those who panhandle are not homeless, although they are, only the
ones who hide under bridges need help. She has no idea of what she speaks. She
has no idea of who helps. Her definition of help is those who go to the homeless and
give them hands on support. She forgets those that give monetary support to those
that do the hands on support. She wears her "heart" on her sleeve for all to see.
I think it is great she wants to help those she wants. But she has no right to
demand that taxpayers or anyone else do anything for her "cause". Charity begins
at home. People who work and support families have needs too. Government
doesn't ask them if they can afford a tax increase. They just take the money give
it to those who produce nothing. That is not greed folks, that is everyday life.
It wasn't always that way and you know what? Folks pretty well took care of those
in need and themselves too. And I lost money on the Sea hawks/Redskins game
cause he missed the damn extra point. So bring SA210 on, I ready for her.

[Peter]

So far so good. Lefties claim the homeless are merely folks who've been shafted by the man and righties claim that they're lazy bums. A couple more pages to go and this one can be filed away.

[xrayzebra]

So far so good. Lefties claim the homeless are merely folks who've been shafted by the man and righties claim that they're lazy bums. A couple more pages to go and this one can be filed away.

You really do need to take a reading comprehension course.

[SA210]

Yes Xray and gtown, your morals. Stop lying already. Don't back pedal on all your comments on poor people and the homeless. We know how you really feel. I tell you something fellas, You are beating me at one thing and that's the name calling. It's what you do best as an arguement, but just because you say something doesn't make it so.

Xray, I like how you lie and say there are no homeless vets. That's as dumb and stupid as gtowns claim that homeless people don't receive any kind of government assistance at all. Remember that one gtown? I like how you disregard the fact of Bush closing VA hospitals.

I hate though, how this thread is about the beatings of homeless people that resulted in a death and you and gtown continue to focus on other issues like namecalling, hating me for Not being like you, puting down a political party and homeless people. Yea, it shows what your made of, both of you.

But my prayers go out to the victims though, that's really what this thread is about, but we can see certain people's TRUE feelings. And thanks Ms. Kaleidescope.

[Brutalis]

And why are they homeless jackass? Because they were too ing lazy to get up and do something about their ty situations. I have no sympathy.

Don't like being a victim of street crimes? Get off the in street.

Central Arkansas closed all their homeless shelters due to lack of funds.

So tell me, what the are the supposed to do. How do they even start to get back in the "right track" you claim they should do. Especially if they have no family, friends or even a ing shelter to sleep in.

Please, explain.

[lectrik]

Police ID Two Suspects in Homeless Beating
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Vashner]

i don't think conservative assholes help the situation of the homeless either

Most homeless in America are that way by choice. How many do you ing know? I know bums and have spent time taking donated stuff to Sam Shelter or having my family host homeless on Thanks giving.

You sound like a young person who really does not know jack about America.

[xrayzebra]

Yes Xray and gtown, your morals. Stop lying already. Don't back pedal on all your comments on poor people and the homeless. We know how you really feel. I tell you something fellas, You are beating me at one thing and that's the name calling. It's what you do best as an arguement, but just because you say something doesn't make it so.

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You always want to comment on my morals, say I call you names, and
say I backpedal on my comments.

Do you know if I am a moral person? Or one who just disagrees with your
method or thoughts on how the homeless should be treated? Obviously
you don't. So get off my back about morals. Worry about your own,
judge not or you will be judged. I have never called you a name.

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Xray, I like how you lie and say there are no homeless vets. That's as dumb and stupid as gtowns claim that homeless people don't receive any kind of government assistance at all. Remember that one gtown? I like how you disregard the fact of Bush closing VA hospitals.

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Where did I ever say they were no homeless vets? I didn't, I said that
a fatigue jacket and pants and saying you are a vet doesn't make you one.
I also pointed out that they is a quite large Vet hospital here in San Antonio,
it is called Audie Murphy and covers a very large area in the Medical
Center complex and they will treat any vet who goes there for help or is
taken there. They even have an omnibus person who will assist those
that think they have been screwed over. You think someone hasn't
received help who deserved it or needed it, contact him. He will help.
Just quit yelling Bush screwed the Vets (He didn't/hasn't).

The Department of Veterans Affairs funding for next year are increased
1.9 BILLION over last year.

Veterans Medical Services: 22.5 BILLION
(plus 1.14 BILLION from FY05 into FY06)

Mental Health Services: 2.2 BILLION

Construction Program: recommends the budget request levels of
607 Million for major construction and 199 million for minor construction

Now doesn't sound like he has quite forgotten veterans to me.

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I hate though, how this thread is about the beatings of homeless people that resulted in a death and you and gtown continue to focus on other issues like namecalling, hating me for Not being like you, puting down a political party and homeless people. Yea, it shows what your made of, both of you.

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I have never called you any names, nor will I. I don't hate you, nor have
I ever stated I have. It's not my bag to hate anyone. Dislike someone I
may. I do not condone beating anyone. Homeless, rich, poor or otherwise.
I so stated. You call it a hate crime. In MY books there is no such thing
as a hate crime. You cannot send anyone to prison for hating someone,
only for injury to another person. Hate crime is a buzz word of the left,
which like most of their junk has no real meaning. You have no idea
what I am made of, what I have done in my life, will do in my life, but
as a good liberal lady you will presume to know everything about me
because I profess to be a person of conservative views and voted for
George Bush. Therefore I am bad. But since you do not pay my bills,
care for me or in any manner associate with me on a personal basis,
really don't care what you think of me.

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But my prayers go out to the victims though, that's really what this thread is about, but we can see certain people's TRUE feelings. And thanks Ms. Kaleidescope.

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Yes, I am sure your prayers really do go out to them. And I am not
surprised that you profess this publicly. Which you have ever right to
do. You once again show your true liberal leanings by stating in no
uncertain terms that you know peoples true feelings. You don't, but
you will be presumtious enough to state that you do anyway.

[gtownspur]

Yes Xray and gtown, your morals. Stop lying already. Don't back pedal on all your comments on poor people and the homeless. We know how you really feel. I tell you something fellas, You are beating me at one thing and that's the name calling. It's what you do best as an arguement, but just because you say something doesn't make it so.

Xray, I like how you lie and say there are no homeless vets. That's as dumb and stupid as gtowns claim that homeless people don't receive any kind of government assistance at all. Remember that one gtown? I like how you disregard the fact of Bush closing VA hospitals.

I hate though, how this thread is about the beatings of homeless people that resulted in a death and you and gtown continue to focus on other issues like namecalling, hating me for Not being like you, puting down a political party and homeless people. Yea, it shows what your made of, both of you.

But my prayers go out to the victims though, that's really what this thread is about, but we can see certain people's TRUE feelings. And thanks Ms. Kaleidescope.

You're still arguing, and haven't even found a credible source to back up you're bull .


Aren't you the same person that said that homeless recieve public housing?

[gtownspur]

The hate in this world is ridiculous, as if it weren't bad enough that he was on the streets already. But people like Xray and gtown believe we shouldn't help these people.

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_012082436.html

^YOu see this was the beggining of your thread. THis thread was not about the beatings of homeless people, but about you're wanting of having me and Xray painted as people who hate homeless people.

So off.

[SA210]

You're still arguing, and haven't even found a credible source to back up you're bull .
Aren't you the same person that said that homeless recieve public housing?

OMG!!! Gtown, You actually made something up out of your rear We all know that You gtown, are the one, who said, homeless people don't recieve ANY kind of government assistance or WELFARE AT ALL. Your words. That turned out to be COMPLETELY FALSE.

OMG your too funny, nice try though to make something completely up to throw off anyone who knew you were the one who spewed that re ed nonsense.

You actually thought that was gonna work? To make that up? Nice try. I could go and say that you said All rich people are broke. That doesn't make it so.

That doesn't even make sense, make up a lie that's at least somewhat believable, not stupid Bush-like ones. I can't believe you actually just made up a statement out of thin air and hoped it would stick like that

How low can you go? That's just pathetic. If someone were to have half a brain they would know that many homeless people recieve welfare and some get into public housing and as the days go on it's harder for them to get into the public housing because Dubya is knocking those units down.

, but again gtown, nice pathetic try. And is Xray still trying to convince people that altough he admits to being a Greedy and Selfish man, that he is a man of moral values? gimme a break. why do I even respond to your childish no argumenet having nonsense? I actually commit sin responding to your hateful nonsense. Good day.

[gtownspur]

^If you have to post a million smileys to convey that my ideas are weak, and again no sources, then you have the weak argument.

If saying homeless people don't recieve govt assistance is true, then that means in general that a majority of homeless dont. There are exceptions to the rule, but you have yet to post any Credible article or even a fake one at that that proves that a majority of homeless do recieve welfare or housing assistance.


ANd if by chance they do recieve housing, then what the makes them homeless?

yOu see but you're going on of how i believe homeless dont get assistance, and you're trying your hardest to prove me wrong. But all i get is this ,....

and that shows your baseless convictions.


Would you laugh at me if i said that fat people don't starve?


Would anyone laugh at someone else hystericaly if one said that homeless don't have homes? aka public housing?

But then again you are SA210, you do victimize yourself like the helpless battered of NbaDan you are. And you are in denial of you're pathetic existence and idiotic beliefs that you are reduced to making stupid statements tagged with smileys and ripped off photoshop images.

Discussing? THere is no discussing with you. All you are is a pathetic attempt to label everyone a hater so that you could feel good about having a deformed under your blouse while at the same time questioning your orientation.


YOu say you love gays, but then you throw off gay putdowns at everyone that disagrees with you.

And then to top it off you tell us of how we are so insecure, about what, i don't know.
But everytime you telll someone they're insecure it comes off as if someone was trying to get in you're pants and as a typical female you try to put them down when they're y.

Dude, you're sad and i'm glad you help the homeless people cuz that's all you're worth on this earth.

[Nbadan]

So far so good. Lefties claim the homeless are merely folks who've been shafted by the man and righties claim that they're lazy bums. A couple more pages to go and this one can be filed away.

Well, not quite. Progressive Democrats would like to see real wage increases for everyone, but especially for the working poor, something that hasn't happened in 4, maybe 5 years under Dubya (after adjusting for inflation). Would increasing the minimum wage to $6.00-$6.50 really be so bad?

We've also got to do something about rising interest rates, if we don't slow down government borrowing soon market forces will dictate FF rates to keep going up a quarter at a time throughout 06, with each increase forcing more and more poor Americans with ARMS and AR revolving-credit to live on less and less. Squeezing the purchasing power of prospective home-buyers in an already teetering real estate market, but especially in areas not affected by the Hurricanes.

This week, oddly, the FEDS stopped reporting the amount of M3 supply leading to a wide range of conspiracy theories on the subject. Some of these theories contend that the John Snow Treasury Dept, and the newly, Dubya-appointed mind-you, FED Chairman, Ben Bernanke, are printing dollars like fraudulant 04 and 08 Florida ballots and questionable WH memos like the humorous Padilla resume, in an effort to further devalue the dollar in world currency markets. Hummm...