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Hunting with a bow is real hunting.
You are just like my grandma. Old-fashion. And theres nothing wrong with that and thats not an insult. Thats how you were raised and I respect you very much and your opinion.
But.
I didnt mean you ARE wrong. I mean, thats wrong IMO. Thats all.
"Okay to kill" .... like I said. Some animals are provided for us to feed on, as the cow and chicken I exampled earlier that produce milk and eggs and historically have been the main source of meat.
Regardless of what answer you think is good enough doesnt matter. I would say the same about a lot of things I reply to in this forum but that doesnt make them always wrong either.
Well, I'm all argued out and we'll just have to agree to disagree.
(Me? Old-fashioned??)
Hunting with a bow is real hunting.
Nahhhhh no way!Well, I'm all argued out and we'll just have to agree to disagree.
(Me? Old-fashioned??)
But you bet your boots if I lived in the 1800s on a farm I would be hunting to feed my family. I do agree with that much. Just not the modern day.
I'm starting to get poop'd out as well.
Ok, let me first put this out in the open- As of right now, I currently have on my wall:
- two fish (one redfish, one Mahi Mahi caught in Maui)
- one Elk
- one buck that we found shot dead on our ranch (poor shot placement had this thing running at least 200 yards deep from our fence line. Assuming it was shot at the opposing fenceline)
- one South Texas buck and another one on the way
- in our freezer is near 200 lbs of vinison, both whitetail and elk
Ok, just getting that out in the open. If you are going to judge the following post, I at least want you to have the information to judge
Yes, I am an avid hunter. Yes, I was born with a fishing rod in my hands. Yes, I eat what I kill and yes, I do consider both fantastic sports.
Unfortunately, I think most look badly upon hunting and fishing largely due to seeing idiot rednecks hunting squirrels with a 30-06 rifle, and catching fish with a rod in one hand, a bud light in the other, and a Marlboro Red in their mouth. And I hate that this is the image the public sees. It makes the rest of us look like stupid, drunk, illiterate rednecks as well. Git 'er done.
The fact of the matter is (I cannot speak nationally), Texas is over-run with deer. There are so many animals, fighting for the same food, that the health and strength of the individual animals has gone down and many, many deer are dieing of starvation or disease due to lack of strength. And the reason for this is over-development, not that I can blame us. We are building roads and buildings where these deer used to live, and are forcing a large population into a small habitat.
So as for the hunting part of it, I feel no guilt. A good number of animals will die each season due to starvation or disease by overpopulation, so taking a bag limit of animals will do absolutely no damage to the herd, and will in fact better the overall health of the rest of the white tail population, simply because that is one (or five) deer less to fight for food.
Now as for the sport part of it? This season I took two bucks hunting with a .243 rifle, by no means overkill (probably a little under, actually) but great for Texas deer because of the flat trajectory and speed of the bullet. Quicker downing of the animal (if you are a good shot), and less damage to the meat. We both win. The first buck I took at 100 yards, shooting through a fence, and it dropped within 40 yards. No twitches, no death throws. The running was instinctual and there was no doubt in my mind the hunt was humane. The second buck was taken at 200 yards, uphill- my rifle was sighted in at a 40 yd range. I placed the crosshairs above the animal, anticipating a drop, and the shot landed low, but straight through the heart. The animal dropped within eyesight. Difficult shot both times, humane kill both times.
Those who were with me on my trip, as well as those who have EVER been hunting in some place not in a backyard, can tell you that as far as sport goes, hunting requires a substantial ammount of skill and patience. You can't hand a guy a gun and put him on a deer, just like you can't hand a kid a ball and put him in a game. You have to learn how to shoot, where to aim, and when to pull the trigger.
And as far as doing it humanely? If you know how to shoot, if you approach hunting like a sport and not like a carnival game, then the animals will go down before you have time to register hitting the game-winning shot.
I was going to talk about fishing, but that is a seperate rant for a different time. And besides, I'm hungry. That venison breakfast sausage didn't quite do it for me. I wonder if I have any more buck jerkey......
You're too little to handle a 30/6. So now we know who's lying!
I can "handle" every gun I've shot. I'm more of a rifle/shotgun person than a pistol man, though. The range and the accuracy is cool, even as small as the little .22s everyone is raised with. I love plinking a soda can off a fence at 100 yds. Now THAT is fun.You're too little to handle a 30/6. So now we know who's lying!
But as far as the 30-06 goes, I was trying to make an exaggerated reference, though unfortunately I have actually seen someone shoot a squirrel with a 30-06. Slow day at the blind and he was bored. Still no excuse, though.
"Fish are pretty much an abundant resource"
WTF? the ocean fishing stocks off the Grand Banks and North Sea have collapsed. factory fishing has destroyed. scientists have no idea when they wil recover, or if.
sharks are also in danger for shark fin soup.
If it flies it dies.
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/tv/colum...h/1899793.html
It depends. I will never shoot a deer. The only hunting I do is doves.
I love hunting. To me it's a challenge. Well, in Texas it isn't much of a challenge. This they do here in Texas with the blinds and the deer feeders is like shooting fish in a barrel. But go on a Mule Deer or Elk hunt out west in the Rocky Mountains and you'll see what I'm talking about. Mule Deer are one of the most elusive creatures in the country. Sometimes you can hike around for days and not even see one. Sometimes you'll spot one a mile or so away in a spotting scope, and you have to figure out a way to hike in close enough without him seeing, smelling, or hearing you. The kind of hunting I do takes a whole lotta skill, and a little bit of luck.
Plus there's the whole outdoor experience in general. I usually go with my Dad and my brothers. There's nothing better than sitting around the campfire at night with the guys while kickin back a cold beer, telling hunting stories. I'm not gonna waste too much time trying to explain, because people like you will never understand. But trust me, when you're up there in mountains, far away from civilization, trying to outwit an animal that always seems to be one step ahead of you,...well, it's easy to pity those of you who will never "get it."
There's a "right wing" pun in there somewhere, but I am too lazy to figure it out.If it flies it dies.
Hunters who do it for "sport" are pussies unless they use bow and arrow or really ty guns.
But as far as it being cruel, the regulations are pretty strict and believe it or not, but the number of deer you kill is at least partially based on the population trends and without them the deer population would get a little out of control. This means more deer/car accidents, of course. Also, too many of them would deplete all of the lower canopy of a given forest or brush area, which may not be what the landowners have in mind for their land.
I think its okay, just a pussy sport unless you use inferior equipment.
Really $#!TTY Guns...
eat what you shoot and there is nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
Anything bigger than a .243 for Texas deer, or any shot under maybe 150-200 yards on smaller animals, is overkill. I am assuming by " ty gun" you mean one that doesn't kill by overabundance of stopping power, but one that only kills with proper shot placement and at least a little bit of sober skill. And if that is the case, then I think my .243 is as " ty" as they come.or really ty guns.
I dropped my elk (at an exotics ranch) at 125-150 with the .243, though it did take two shots in rapid succession. Or well, as rapid as one can get with a bolt-action. First one hit the heart, second one shreaded the lungs. Why the would anyone want to hunt a ~120 lbs whitetail with something that could efficiently take down a moose? It's like putting a lift on your truck for highway driving.
Soft tip s and .243 is all the ty gun one could ever need.
If you eat it or wear it? Fine. If you just display in on the wall? Get some therapy, your is obviously too small.
I'm for it. I feel it's essential to the evolution of mankind. Afterall, unless some here are vegan? Nobody has room to talk. Just because some choose to do their hunting at a drive-through instead of the wilderness, does not make them better. Hunt all you want. But Eat all you Hunt. I read that at a chinese buffet once. But I digress.
Eat it, fine. Wear it, someone, somewhere, better get some of the meat.If you eat it or wear it? Fine. If you just display in on the wall? Get some therapy, your is obviously too small.
If you put it on the wall, you are simply displaying the trophy. Find a deer on the wall and I can guarentee you that homeowner either still has the meat (in which case you should steal some- vinison is good), or has already demolished his supply.
But if you find a animal on the wall, and the homeowner never shot the animal, find or buy a gun and balistically castrate them. They deserve it.
You obviously don't know a damn thing about hunting. That's got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read. "Inferior equipment" as you call it, only leads to more crippled and wounded deer that get away, only to suffer and die days later.
Given enough daylight, I'm confident that I could get close enough to hit one with a frickin slingshot. But I don't see how that would make me more of a man and less of a "pussy"
Why not just use a jet and a cluster bomb. What he's saying is that guns make pretty easy. I know, you said the hunting you do is different, but some people like it to be easy. Like finding a deer trail on their property and setting up a tree stand right by the deer trail. They know a deer will pass through, all they have to do is be quiet, wait, and blow it's head off.You obviously don't know a damn thing about hunting. That's got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read. "Inferior equipment" as you call it, only leads to more crippled and wounded deer that get away, only to suffer and die days later.
Given enough daylight, I'm confident that I could get close enough to hit one with a frickin slingshot. But I don't see how that would make me more of a man and less of a "pussy"
Fishing is hunting noob...
That's idiotic.. Using a proper rifle is not "pussy". If you have license, shoot animal for harvest. That's manly... Pussy is armchair QB'ing a right proper hunter.
I think
No one should be "forced" to hunt. But if they get a license. Use proper safety and intend to harvest the animal it's all good. Deer, javalina, wild turkey, dove those
are GAME animals. As in to PETA People for eating of tasty animals.
I have come back bloodier and stikner from deep sea than from deer hunting. That's some nasty stank...
I like Red Snapper.... grilled with some garlic butter, baked potato and some greens.
One time I caught a Sow so big it was like slaughter house just to cut off it's head. OMG the spine was huge. This was a BIG snapper..
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