You mean the leading, most supported scientific theory, the one that hasn't been scientifically refuted or replaced yet? Yeah, I'd take my chances...
What's a transitional fossil for you? because there have been tons of transitional fossils found but you wouldn't acknowledge them as that...
You seem very sure of yourself when countless non creationist scientist have many serious questions about your theory. There's no way you can be so sure. Also, none of your transitional fossils have any credibility what so ever.That's why your evidence is left out of textbooks and you have studies like the one at the beginning of this thread.
It's a gamble.
It isn't "my" theory...
I have questions myself too, but no other theory comes even near close as an explanation.
Yeah, there is no way I can be sure, this isn't math o physics, there is no way anyone can pull a formula and prove it. I won't live 10.000 years or more to watch things evolve...
Evidence left out of textbooks? So there is no textbook on australopithecus or you just don't consideer it as a transitional fossil either?
It isn't a gamble, its a theory...and it hasnt been proven wrong so far...
Last edited by danyel; 01-21-2006 at 11:12 AM.
too much Seinfeld.
hasn't been proven right neither. The gamble is with your life if God exist and punishes Lairs, thieves, murderes, rapist etc... like he says in the bible.
So in your opinion god will punish me in the after life and put me in the same category than lairs, thieves and rapists just for believing in evolution?
I'm saying have you ever lied, stolen, used god's name in vein, or even lusted after a man or woman? Of course you have and so has everyone in this world, but the fact still remains we are all Liars, Thieves, blasphemous, adultering hearts. By gods word he will punish all of us unless we repent and accept the sacrifice of Jesus.
An evolutionist I'm assuming doesn't believe in the above and that's why it's a gamble.
I dont believe evolution is contradictory to the idea of believing in god or in a supreme being. Not even the vatican does...
OK. Enjoyed the conversation. Let me leave you with this if God were to judge you by the ten commandments would you be innocent or guilty?
Dude, I (and I thinks others here) don't believe in God.
So not a single one of your warnings and recommendations make any sense to us.
Besides... believing in God "just in case" is a really really sad way of living.
My life is far from sad. Nevertheless, if you think Murderes, rapist etc.. who get away with their crimes on earth never get punished to each his own.
Also, your conscience is a gift from God.
No, it's the way humans are. Thanks to some millions years of mutations and inheritance.
Are you good enough to go to heaven?
If you're wrong and are judged by the Ten Commandments will you go to heaven or ?
I'm telling you the evil will be punished, but if you don't understand that we'll just agree to think differently.
My statement was not a rebuttal of yours... I was supporting your previous statement.
You gotta be joking.
The Roman Catholic Church is the Church Christ established. It's His Church. They are totally intertwined. And in terms of Doctrine, the Church is without error.
Well, I did not read much about the Crusades, aside that the reason for them was that the Christians of the time wanted to regain the Holy Lands taken away by the Muslims. Not sure what's wrong with that.
The Inquisition is a difficult topic and a lot of inaccuracies have been written about it. The reality is that the Episcopal Inquisition against the Catharists and the Roman Inquisition, the one who tried Galileo, were pretty benign and did not last long, especially the latter. The one everyone talks about when bashing the Church is the Spanish Inquisition. The truth is this version of the Inquisition abused its power. What needs to be recognized is that even though the Church is Holy, its members are not. Just like is Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, we Catholics are sinners.
Agreed, bad practice.
And from what I read in these last two days, the practice was also condemned by the Catholic Church long before Luther and the Protestant revolt. Three Councils between 747 and 1317 (not to mention St Cyprian as early as the Fourth Century) and six Popes between 1268 and 1478 condemned and tried correct the practice.
"Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he can not enter into the kingdom of God."
Ever read John 6, especially John 6: 53-57?
"Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me."
Care to name them?
“What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead”
James 2: 14-17
This is why you need somebody to interpret the Bible (the Catholic Church)tation of the Bible takes you nowhere (20,000 Protestant denominations)
That is your POV. To me it’s twisting. And if Mexicans adore the Virgin to the point where they forget about Jesus, then they are mistaken. I doubt this is the case but for a small group.
Sure, the Evil Catholic Church, the of Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots. Always coming up with new ploys.
I understand you are not bashing me personally. You are bashing my Church, the one Christ established.
That's the new thing. It's nice because it's more modern view.
God is not some dude with grey hair in the clouds watching every little thing everyone does or listening to prayer hotline. Or standing at pearly gates with a list.. that's all stuff people dreamed up.
It's more like the force luke.
That is where we differ, Christ ins uted the Church to be directed by the Holy Spirit... not by any one man or insi ution; you yourself admitted that all of us were sinners. And it is because we are imperfect that we can't claim the work of the Holy Spirit. The Church is definitely with error... because men are not inerrant.
I read this website about a year ago.... and fortunately it was still around. Anyways the page details why 'traditions' and 'rites' are not what Christ wanted out of HIS Church....
http://www.geocities.com/got_doctrine/rc.html
See, we don't disagree on everything.
Read 1st John Chapter 5.... Where it talks about the Trinity... The water represents Jesus.
Besides, one must be fully conscious of what he is doing or accepting when being baptized. A baby does not have this discernment. Jesus was presented at the Temple as a child but not baptized till he started his 'ministry' at the age of 30.
Also, the thief that was crucified along with Christ, who recognized Jesus was Lord was promised by Jesus himself a welcome into 'Paradise'... The thief was not baptized... nor did he have any contributing works... or any other passage of rite... All he did was genuinely believe that JESUS was the Son of GOD...
Which means if you accept his sacrifice you will have eternal life.... JESUS paid the price already.
Care to name them? [/QUOTE]
Again... there are many.
http://www.geocities.com/got_doctrine/rc.html
It is the case for MOST 'religious' Mexicans.... who adore the 'Virgin' as the Mother of GOD.
The Bible clearly states that only GOD is worthy of worship... GOD and GOD alone.
OK... Now you are overreacting....
We are the Church... the followers... not the temples or buildings or ins utions... the members themselves represent the Bride of Christ.
An even better link...
http://www.myfortress.org/CATHOLOCISM.html
Wrong post
Last edited by smeagol; 01-24-2006 at 03:41 PM.
Christ told Peter that he was the rock on which his (Christ’s) Church was to be built. Unless you twist the meaning of Mt 16:18, Christ established the Catholic Church on Earth.
The fact that we are sinners and make mistakes has nothing to do with the Catholic Church teaching the True Doctrine. This is a common misconception. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit (and therefore infallible) only when it makes pronouncements with regards to Doctrine. Why? Because Christ gave his Church this power.
I would turn the question to you? Why do you feel the Protestant interpretation of the Bible (which by the way varies from denomination to denomination) is the correct one?
Where does it say in the Bible that infants should not be baptized?
Peter explained what happens at baptism when he said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39).
Furthermore, the Bible tells us of at least three instances where Paul baptizes an entire household. Although we don’t know if there where infants, there is a big possibility that in one of the three houses there were (and these are just the three that are recorded).
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized" (CCC 1281).
In certain rare cases, you don’t need to be baptized to be saved (this would apply to the case of the Thieve, not to mention that he (the Thieve) was told he was saved by The Lord himself).
I think John 6 is pretty clear and leads to the Transubstantiation Doctrine.
They adore Mary; they worship Christ. If they don’t, they are not following the Church’s Doctrine. I cannot make it more clear than that.
Show me where the Catholic Church teaches otherwise. Another Protestant misconception.
Maybe I am, but I don’t like it when you imply that the Church is deceiving, trying to come up with ploys, etc.
I would rather these diferences be discussed with PMs....
But in short Christ is the Solid Rock on which the foundation of the Church is built.... not Peter...
Peter was not the '1st Pope', read:
Matthew 8:14 --- he was already married
Galatians 2:14 --- he was not infallible
1 Corinthians 3:11 --- Christ is the foundation
Ephesians 2:20 --- Other foundations
Acts 2:42 --- Not Peter's doctrine
Matthew 18:18 --- Other's have keys
Acts 15:13-21 --- James in lead
Galatians 2:9 --- Pillars, not just one
1 Peter 1:1 --- Christ is our Rock
1 Peter 1:1 --- Peter's an apostle
1 Peter 5:1 --- Peter's an Elder
Adoration = is a form of worship.... What did Moses do when he asked God to reveal his Glory??? He bowed down and adored.
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:" -Rev.9:20
Mary deserves our respect... she, being HUMAN and needing remission of her own sin... also needed Christ's redemption.... but she does not merit worship or adoration.
Mary was not sinless, read:
Luke 1:47
Ecclesiastes 7:20
Romans 3:23, 5:12
1 John 1:8-10
Psalms 51:5
Mary is not our Intercessor, read:
1 Timothy 2:5
John 14:6
Hebrews 8:6, 12:23-24
Mary did not remain a virgin, read:
John 2:12, 7:5
Mark 3:31, 6:1-3
Matthew 13:55
Luke 14:26
Acts 1:14
1 Corinthians 9:4-5
Galatians 1:19
How did Jesus address Mary?, read:
John 2:4, 19:26
Matthew 12:46-50
Speaking of John 6:
What's GOD's work????
John 6:28-29
BTW neither the word 'transubstantiation' or 'catholic' or 'purgatory' appear anywhere in the Bible...
Last edited by hegamboa; 01-23-2006 at 08:37 PM.
Where's Father Carmine when yous need 'em?
Hegamboa, did you get my PM?
Every one of those twists, mistranslations, misconceptions, and otherwise incorrect interpretations has been dealt with at one time or another in this forum.
I am not bashing you personally, but merely dredging up old arguments that have been refuted isn't debate.
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