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Man, u offered me a menu.
I would take Ben Wallace and Jake Tsakalidis and a Jermaine O'Neal to go...and a Sprite please.
then, who among in the list you think capable of intimidating any team in the league (aside of course of the untouchables Shaq, Yao or Big Ben), and shld replace Rasho on the Spurs' line-up? and Why?
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Martynas Andriuskevicius C, Cleveland Cavaliers
Rafael Araujo C, Toronto Raptors
Earl Barron C, Miami Heat
Tony Battie C, Orlando Magic
Andris Biedrins C, Golden State Warriors
Mark Blount C, Boston Celtics
Primoz Brezec C, Charlotte Bobcats
Kwame Brown C, Los Angeles Lakers
P.J. Brown C, New Orleans Hornets
Pat Burke C, Phoenix Suns
Jackie Butler C, New York Knicks
Andrew Bynum C, Los Angeles Lakers
Marcus Camby C, Denver Nuggets
Kelvin Cato C, Orlando Magic
Tyson Chandler C, Chicago Bulls
Jarron Collins C, Utah Jazz
Nick Collison C, Seattle SuperSonics
Eddy Curry C, New York Knicks
Samuel Dalembert C, Philadelphia 76ers
Erick Dampier C, Dallas Mavericks
DeSagana Diop C, Dallas Mavericks
Michael Doleac C, Miami Heat
John Edwards C, Atlanta Hawks
Francisco Elson C, Denver Nuggets
Jeff Foster C, Indiana Pacers
Adonal Foyle C, Golden State Warriors
Dan Gadzuric C, Milwaukee Bucks
Eddie Griffin C, Minnesota Timberwolves
Zendon Hamilton C, Cleveland Cavaliers
David Harrison C, Indiana Pacers
Brendan Haywood C, Washington Wizards
Steven Hunter C, Philadelphia 76ers
Zydrunas Ilgauskas C, Cleveland Cavaliers
Marc Jackson C, New Jersey Nets
Jerome James C, New York Knicks
Ervin Johnson C, Milwaukee Bucks
Dwayne Jones C, Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Kaman C, Los Angeles Clippers
Mario Kasun C, Orlando Magic
Nenad Krstic C, New Jersey Nets
Mark Madsen C, Minnesota Timberwolves
Jamaal Magloire C, Milwaukee Bucks
D.J. Mbenga C, Dallas Mavericks
Chris Mihm C, Los Angeles Lakers
Brad Miller C, Sacramento Kings
Yao Ming C, Houston Rockets
Mikki Moore C, Seattle SuperSonics
Alonzo Mourning C, Miami Heat
Dikembe Mutombo C, Houston Rockets
Boniface Ndong C, Los Angeles Clippers
Jermaine O'Neal C, Indiana Pacers
Shaquille O'Neal C, Miami Heat
Michael Olowokandi C, Minnesota Timberwolves
Greg Ostertag C, Utah Jazz
Kendrick Perkins C, Boston Celtics
Johan Petro C, Seattle SuperSonics
Pavel Podkolzin C, Dallas Mavericks
Scot Pollard C, Indiana Pacers
Vitaly Potapenko C, Seattle SuperSonics
Joel Przybilla C, Portland Trail Blazers
Peter John Ramos C, Washington Wizards
Theo Ratliff C, Portland Trail Blazers
Zeljko Rebraca C, Los Angeles Clippers
Ha Seung Jin C, Portland Trail Blazers
Brian Skinner C, Sacramento Kings
Amare Stoudemire C, Phoenix Suns
Robert Swift C, Seattle SuperSonics
Kurt Thomas C, Phoenix Suns
Jake Tsakalidis C, Memphis Grizzlies
Jake Voskuhl C, Charlotte Bobcats
Ben Wallace C, Detroit Pistons
Robert Whaley C, Utah Jazz
Chris Wilcox C, Los Angeles Clippers
Loren Woods C, Toronto Raptors
Lorenzen Wright C, Memphis Grizzlies
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Man, u offered me a menu.
I would take Ben Wallace and Jake Tsakalidis and a Jermaine O'Neal to go...and a Sprite please.
I usually stay out of these discussion for the simple reason that it is hard to argue about a basketball game if you haven't seen it.
But some guys in this thread are doing just that.
Have you seen the last game? How can you even start defending Nazr's play with the words "well he misses his defensive assignments/spot but...".
Please watch the game. I was embarassed for Nazr when coach Newman was on the court, in the middle of a play, shouting at him!!! The guy has huge problems and as a fan of the team it doesn't really makes me happy that I can defend Rasho's play by pointing out how much Nazr sucks right now.
Do some of you even like the game of Basketball? Things that the Spurs (yes Rasho too) do on the court are a great lesson in Basketball fundametals where everybody has a role/job to do and the team is the one winning and not its individuals. All the great Spurs plays that (sometimes) make the play of the game segment on nba.com have their roots in an interception, a well positioned screen or the way players move without the ball (something I am missing this season btw). You take away these things and the play never happens.
Ask any basketball coach does he prefer a team that gets his plays broken and somehow manages to make the basketball by shear improvisation or a team that regularly executes the plays he has designed?
Bonus question: which one of these two team is more likely to win a championship?
P.S. And for what it's worth I personally think this article was written to fire up Nazr more than it was to praise Rasho.
I think that is a foregone conclusion. There is a good reason those people are there (in the front office) and we are here (not in the front office).
This either proves that the Spurs FO ... know more than the fans.
Regarding the list of players. Are you kidding? There are at least 20 names on that list that I would rather see in a Spurs uniform than #8. And BTW, I have played and coached basketball at several levels and I would much rather have a guy who plays with passion and screws up sometimes than a guy who lumbers around without ever changing expressions, shows little enthusiasm, and says "excuse me" when he bumps into someone. Maybe he needs Duncan screaming in his ear all game. The last couple of minutes of the Bucks game, for the first time in the 200-300 games I have seen him play, Rasho actually looked like he cared whether or not the Spurs would win.
"The last couple of minutes of the Bucks game .... Rasho actually looked like he cared whether or not the Spurs would win."
Rasho certainly got the message after the first Spurs/Bucks game that his defensive tactic of "I spectate as my man Bogut beats my team" was totally unacceptable.
The problem is that more is expected out of the center position than being in the right spot on offensive plays. He's giving the team nothing on the glass nor in the paint. Not being an interior presence costs the team plenty. There are fewer opportunities for second chances on possessions via offensive boards, more chances for opponents to score due to defensive boards missed and fewer scoring opportunities when you have a center who is extremely weak at going to the hole and drawing contact.
Mohammed is not perfect, but at least he is more willing to do the things that a NBA center is required to do. Sure, Rasho can stay out of his teammates' way on the floor, as well as that of his opponents.
Your playing basketball in preschool and grade school and coaching it at the YMCA makes you an expert? Well alrighty then!
Never claimed to be an expert, just my opinion. And by the way, I played at USC then AAU, and coached Varsity level high school. I'm sure that doesn't match up to your credentials?Your playing basketball in preschool and grade school and coaching it at the YMCA makes you an expert? Well alrighty then!
peter, you're an idiot. we don't need a high scoring center. we need one to anchor the defense so duncan can roam more on d. if rasho rebounded better, that would be great. he played well closing our vs milwaukee, i wish he would do that more. nazr really can't do anything right. rasho's screens and picks make our offense better for parker and gino, nazr can only rebound offensively and foul. he can't work the pick and roll, set a screen in the proper position, and he can't hold on to passes. from that you can easily conclude he isn't willing to do most of the things a center is expected to do. if he did all this crap you claim he did, we wouldn't be having this argument because he would be starting. watch a game for once, nazr is not playing anything like he did last season. rasho is definitely a presence inside on d, nazr is not. get a ing clue
Not what I saw on the floor.
Nazr was geting in the way of his teammates a lot while leaving the lane empty at the other side of the court for easy layups. Look at the tape!
The part I agree with you is that more is expected from an NBA player and that Rasho should contribute in more ways. It is also debatable why things are the way they are and would it really be better if roles were changed.
But anybody who sees Nazr as a better player for the Spurs right now, is not watching the games or is blinded by its hatred of Rasho. Nazr seriously needs to get with the programme or he will lose all the credibility he worked so hard to create during the playoffs (and that will ultimatively cost him a lot of $$$ when his contract is up end of the season).
Nazr and Rasho aren't great center.
Rasho is a quite weak rebounder and Nazr has a low BBIQ (leemajors and Slomo have explained it very well).
BTW Rasho is way better than Nazr this year, it's obvious.
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Oh man, I've read too many of these threads. I thought we started comparing their respective barbeque dishes.
i think nazr's bbq ability would be limitedby him being muslim, but that's just me. pork is a great bbq'ed item...
You must be from Carolina. In Texas it's beef.
i'm from texas, and i see plenty of pork ribs!
That idea is kind of blown since there was an article on Nazr today. Either that or today's article was written to fire up Rasho....................
Zydrunas Ilgauskas C, Cleveland Cavaliers - not really cheap, but i like his play, better then nazr and rasho
DeSagana Diop C, Dallas Mavericks - aint gonna happen
Kwame Brown C, Los Angeles Lakers - better then nazr offensive, much better defensive, young, but LA will not let him go either
Primoz Brezec C, Charlotte Bobcats - much better then rasho and nazr combined offensive, gets almost as many o boards then d, can finish strong, but also from rasho like distance, gets lost in defensive end, but that is imo because he must come to help outside guys to much on that bobcats team, very cheap considering all other guys (but maybe thats just me coz i m slovenian afcourse)
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