I dont see it happening here - might be wrong but I just don't see it happening.
Well, what use do they really have for Kandi?
The big man rotation is Raef/Al/Kendrick. If there are any minutes left, they can give them to Jones, who IS under contract for next season and is showing promise as a rebounder and shotblocker.
The Celtics have already waived/bought out two players this season. Why not one more?
Damn both teams play each other tommorow? Should be a interesting game...
not only that but what if artests plays in boston today
well gee lets see - Blount was getting 27 minutes per game this year and the kandi man was averageing about 24 minutes per and pulling down 5 boards. - raef gets about 24 minutes in a bill lambieresque role and jefferson/kendrick as you put it get 18 and 17 minutes respectively. Needless to say Perkins is the only Center listed and he is only in his 3rd year. I am pretty sure they are keeping the Kandi man -
Jones? you mean the guy who is playing in the D-league and was thrown into the deal with 0 minutes of NBA experience ? give the minutes to him ?? - yeah I see your point. Kandi should be on the waiver wire manana.
Again, why was Blount traded and why has he not played any appreciable minutes since the 9th?
To give his minutes to Jefferson and Perkins. This is about the Celtics developing the young guys. Kandi is not young. Raef isn't going anywhere. The Celts have their four big men for next season. Kandi isn't one of them, so why play him now?
Sure. He's going to be there next season. Kandi won't.Jones? you mean the guy who is playing in the D-league and was thrown into the deal with 0 minutes of NBA experience ? give the minutes to him ??
god i am scared the celtics cut him and the spurs pick up the kandiman.
Don't forget Scalabrine. They've signed him to a $15M/5 years deal this summer
i wonder who they were trying to scare off of scalabrine with that deal. i don't see why anyone would pay him anywhere near that much, unless he had a great brain type... we all know how much ainge is into that.
Really, you're going young -- looking for upside.
Who has the least upside in the following list:
Perkins
Jefferson
Jones
Olowokandi
(and yeah, how could I forget Veal? Apparently they had him statistically pegged as some clutch shooting wonder and paid him accordingly.)
he isn't even there right now. he is in the D-league and he was a timberwolf before the trade. if anyone gets waived it will be him.
Yeah, this was clearly about getting out of Blount's terrible deal and getting more playing time for the developing bigs.
I don't think it really makes either team much better, but I do think that Wally will be a better fit than Ricky was in Boston. Ricky was Paul Junior and he seemed to get in Pierce's way. They are two very similar swing players. Wally might open things up for the young big guys and for Pierce.
Ricky has the tools to be a good defender and he can defend well when he wants to, but he's been pretty terrible lately. I really don't think he's much better on the defensive end than Wally.
The Celtics also get a pick, so it's not a terrible deal for them. I wish they could have gotten some youth instead of Wally. He's not really going to be a long-term building block there, and the team is clearly in rebuilding mode. I was hoping for something different, but I think that Wally will fit in pretty well even if the team isn't going to magically become lots better.
As for Minny, Davis will play well on that team. But they still haven't solved their offensive problems. They really need a third scorer and they didn't get it.
I'm a little bit shocked that the Celtics gave up on Banks. Delonte is clearly looking like he's the future and Orien will be a good player, but Banks can really defend and he's one of the faster players in the league. If he can learn to harness his speed he could really do some damage. I've seen him use his speed in productive ways on the offensive end a few times over the past couple of weeks, so I thought he was really making some strides. But I guess that Ainge doesn't believe he'll pan out.
It will be interesting to see who ends up being better off in the end. I don't think it's a super trade for either team, but it's not that terrible, either.
upside? Is that why Blount got all the minutes at center before the trade because they believed in his upside?
as previously stated Jefferson is a forward and won't get any minutes at the center barring small ball time.
perkins will continue to get his minutes behind the kandi man
jones wont get any except in the d league
Jones wasn't necessary to make the deal work money-wise. Kandi was. Knowing that, which player do you think the Celts actually want.
You're just not getting it. The Celtics aren't about winning now. They are about winning in the future. Kandi doesn't do them any good in that regard. If anything, he hurts their future prospects by taking minutes away from the young bigs.
This trade was made in part to create more time for the young bigs. That is absolutely clear and the team has said as much over the past couple of weeks as they've tried to trade Blount.
They might end up keeping Kandi, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he gets waived. They certainly didn't acquire him so he can contribute this season. The young kid that they got in return is much more valuable to the Celtics than Kandi, even if he is a D-Leaguer.
No, it's why he hasn't played since the 9th.upside? Is that why Blount got all the minutes at center before the trade because they believed in his upside?Yeah, this league never plays small ball. And when he's out there with Raef who's chucking up threes from the arc, what exactly is Al playing?as previously stated Jefferson is a forward and won't get any minutes at the center barring small ball time.Perkins has been starting. Wouldn't he continue to do that?perkins will continue to get his minutes behind the kandi man
Blount hasn't played very much at all lately. He hasn't gotten "all" the minutes at center, in fact, he's gotten very few recently. There is a reason for that.
Perkins will play more minutes than Kandi will.
Do you really think that the Celtics traded for Kandi so he could help them win this season? If so, I think you need to follow the team a little bit more closely.
spurs have no use for kanid
oberta is starting to shine
I think the Celtics wanted his contract to free up cap space.
I dont think they particularly cared about anyone in this deal to stay there and help them win - and if you think they are about winning now or in the future - then you need to follow them a bit closer because Ainge has done more harm to that storied franchise than even Rick Pitino did or Len Bias' death.
I am pretty sure the Kandi man will get his minutes - probably split with perkins. I doubt - seriously doubt they will call jones up from the D-league to get some burn at center. we will see what happens.
The Celtics want to win in the future. If you don't think they're about winning now and you don't think they are about winning in the future, what do you think they are about? The youth movement is happening because they want to win in the future.
Ainge has made some questionable moves, but they have some really good young players in Green(s), Perkins, Big Al, West, etc. They also have a valuable piece in Pierce that they can move in the future. It's not as bad as it has been.
Jones might not play in Boston this season, but he's still the more valuable commodity to the Celtics.
And you're right - they acquired Kandi to free up some space and to get rid of Blount's terrible deal. They have made a commitment to playing the young bigs over the past few weeks, so why would that stop now? Kandi isn't going to see a lot of court time.
I didnt like this trade at first but i'm warming up to it. I thought Wally playing at the hottest he's ever played in his career would get more than this. There is no salary dumps here really. Wally's owed 36 mill for 3 years. I do really hate the idea of no first rounders at all but a butload of second rounders. McHale acts like the CPU GM's in NBA 2k6. Ricky is basically a younger version of Latrell sprewell. Cutting to the basket and creating something is what was missing. McCants is supposed to be that guy but he hasn't got there yet. Sure, wally is a deadeye shooter but so is guys like Piatkowski. What separates guys like Nowitski, peja, reggie from Wally is they can create there shot or get open. 4th quarter, drop it into KG, double or triple team. Sag off everyone except wally, play is broken every time. Davis isn't Artest on D but he's a million times better. A selfish scorer that can create his shot is what the wolves wanted.
BTW, Ricky Davis was a major factor with his 26 points on what, 10-18 in the wolves beating the Rockets last night.
Boston and Mn play each other Monday in Mn.
Gee impractical44, what do you make of this?
Kandi man has work to do
By Rich Thompson
Saturday, January 28, 2006 - Updated: 10:06 AM EST
Celtics coach Doc Rivers has a frontcourt rotation and he’s sticking with it.
Where newly acquired 7-foot, 270-pound center Michael Olowokandi factors into the equation, Rivers could only speculate before the C’s 84-74 win over the Kings at the Garden.
Rivers conceded that Olowokandi was a former No. 1 overall draft pick (in 1998), but appears determined to go forward with the quartet of Kendrick Perkins, Al Jefferson, Brian Scalabrine and Raef LaFrentz.
“I like the rotation we’ve kind of established over the last six games with Perk, Al, Scal and Raef,” said Rivers. “That’s going to remain, that’s not going to change.
“We’ll see how hard he wants to work and what he can do. I know he has talent, I don’t think there’s anybody that’s ever questioned that. But supposedly somebody has, so I don’t know.
“There will be times when we need that size.”
The reason Mark Blount was part of Thursday’s seven-player trade with Minnesota was that he had no place in Rivers’ low post plans.
Blount was on the outs once Rivers decided to play the kids. The fact that Blount was under contract for four more years and $28 million made him very expendable. Olowokandi is in the final year of a deal that will pay him $5.9 million and there was speculation he could be gone by the Feb. 23 trade deadline.
Olowokandi was averaging 6.0 points, 5.6 rebounds and 23.5 minutes before the trade. Rivers was up front with Olowokandi that it’s unlikely he will get that many minutes off the Celtics’ bench.
“What he basically told me was the rotation is pretty much set as to who was going to be playing and whatnot,” said Olowokandi. “It is just a question of me trying to prove myself and I really wouldn’t want it any other way.
“I think I perform a lot better in those situations and that was basically it.”
The trade did not surprise Olowokandi. “It’s been fairly publicized in the media to what might be happening and what might be lingering,” said Olowokandi. “But you never really know about anything until they pull the trigger. I imagine everyone found out before I did.”
http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celt...ticleid=123307
Sucks for Kandi man
Just thought I'd post this. These comments were made the morning of the 26th, the day of the trade.
Wolves Not Making Any Trades
Jan 26 - Whether it's a psychological ploy or a statement of the organization's thought process, Timberwolves coach Dwane Casey said Wednesday night the team isn't making any trades, reports the St. Paul Pioneer Press. After losing to Memphis, Casey told the newspaper he thinks trade rumors are hurting the team. But the players need to shake it off, he said. "Like I told the guys, I believe in those guys that are here," Casey said. "We're looking over our shoulders, seeing who's going to be here, who's not going to be here. This is us. It's not changing."
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