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You still aren't getting it. I'm not one of those fans. I could care less what other people say. I can't say I agree with what every other Piston fan says.
Playing less minutes on all clyinders > playing more half-assed minutes
That's probably the only thing I see that could hinder the Pistons, last year they pretty much saved energy by coasting through the season.
You still aren't getting it. I'm not one of those fans. I could care less what other people say. I can't say I agree with what every other Piston fan says.
No, but I have eyes. If you can't see it, you're blind. You see it from every team in the league every single year.
The point is, when they're playing ty teams the do a whole lot less of those "effort" things. They don't play as hard on D, they don't dive for loose balls, etc. You're twisting my words.you are just plain stupid if you think it takes more energy and effort to "dive for loose balls, go after rebounds, challenge shots on D, etc" against the Spurs than it does to do the same thing against the hawks, bobcats, whatever.
It's all the same game. these are all nba players.
Well then you shouldn't be answering the posts from Spurs fans (like me) who are talking about what the Pistons fans said last year.
Because apparently we aren't talking to you.
i'm trying to untwist them
because your logic doesnt make any sense....even if what you say is true(), how many " ty" teams do they play in a season, and how many times? what qualifies a team as " ty?" is there a threshhold at which the pistons only give half effort, quarter effort, full effort??
There isn't exactly a formula for it, but there are certain teams that they "Get up" for, and certain teams that they just want to get through.i'm trying to untwist them
because your logic doesnt make any sense....even if what you say is true(
Hawks, Bobcats, Blazers, Knicks, Raptors, Celtics, etc. All of those are "get through it" teams.
Spurs, Heat, Mavs, Suns, Grizz, etc are teams they "get up" for. Everyone else is in the middle.
No matter what you want to think, teams most definately vary in their level of intensity depending on the compe ion.
During the Finals? I don't remember that...
It was the officiating...
Well, if you're new to the NBA you wouldn't know every team 'gets up' for the good teams they play.
This ing back and forth between Spurs and Pistons fans is exaclty why I did not want to make this post. We have spent nearly 2 pages talking about whether or not the Pistons starters are playing too many minutes, who said what about whom, and then making personal jabs. I don't care about any of that . I want to know what you people think about Flip, what you think is going to happen when he tells Rasheed to guard Duncan straight up in the last 5 minutes of a close game, what his players are going to say when he draws up a last-second play for Prince to take a contested three from 24 feet with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. I want to know if you think that Flip's failures and tendencies to up in the postseason are going to affect this Pistons team in the playoffs. Why or why not. That's it.
Shut up about the minutes already. You people bickering makes me not want to post in this forum any more.
It's called discussion. That's what people do.
As for your questions regarding Flip. I think the Pistons players are mature enough and have been together long enough that Flip isn't going to be a huge factor (negatively) in the postseason. He obviously has their respect and he's done some good things for the offense, while their D hasn't suffered. That will likely continue.
What I think about flip?
Overrated. Of course Piston fans jump his cause they're winning. What fan wouldn't? The bottom line is, he don't know how to beat us. And if by some longshot the Pistons do beat us if we're in the finals, it's cause of their players, and their ability. Flip is a flipping joke.
That's funny. Like you expect people to stay on topic.
If you're expecting anything different I suggest you retire from posting right now.
At least people are writing in semi-coherent sentences in this thread. Consider yourself blessed.
Pleassssssse, Kori, "discussion"? That's not discussion, that's pointless nit-picking and arguing. Now I know you were just defending the Spurs, and it was really FreshPrince that crossed the line by taking such offense to my original post in which I merely asked some questions without making any wild assertions or even providing my own answers, but really, I don't want people ing back and forth about whether or not what they said made grammatical sense or if it was logical enough or whatever the you wasted 2 pages on. That's not discussion, that's inane banter.
Whether you like reading it or not, the discussion was about the starters' minutes and (weak) bench. There was only a couple of ing posts .. and that's because Prince made a post that no one understood what he was trying to say.
All and all, I don't think this thread was that bad. A lot of people don't have answers to your original question because Flip seems to have done some good things with the Pistons this season and only time will tell if he'll choke in the postseason. I hated him in Minny, but I don't think he will.
He's 2-0 with the Pistons. Both in blowout fashion. It's the regular season, but saying that makes you look like an idiot.
And you think that kind of idiotic post isn't going to start more bickering? You're just making up re ed that makes no sense.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to say Sheed can't guard Duncan one-on-one? If so, you need a history lesson, and I need to stop reading your posts.what you think is going to happen when he tells Rasheed to guard Duncan straight up in the last 5 minutes of a close game
WTF???what his players are going to say when he draws up a last-second play for Prince to take a contested three from 24 feet with 10 seconds left on the shot clock.
All I can say about this "Flip is going to mess things up in the playoffs" crap is that Flip has made last coaching mistakes this entire season than Larry Brown made in game 7 of the finals last year alone. Larry gets all of this praise, yet he was constantly making assinine decisions with his rotation when it counted, and often times costing us the game (in some cases, the le). Flip has been as close to perfect as possible. I don't see how the playoffs are going to change anything. He is not going to become and idiot overnight. He will put the players in position to win, just like he has all year. The difference is that, this year, Flip has a le-tested team.
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He's saying Sheed can't guard Duncan when it counts. Oh say, last 5 mins of a finals game perhaps.
You're right. That is laughable.He's saying Sheed can't guard Duncan when it counts. Oh say, last 5 mins of a finals game perhaps.
It's hilarious because of the facts behind it. Blame the finals on Sheed dude. Leaving Horry wide open, letting Duncan toy with him in game 7 with 5 mins to go.
Poor, poor sheed.
That's why I said them. The point still stands that the Pistons with Flip have beaten the Spurs 2 out of 2 times. And the Spurs are 0-2 against the Pistons with Flip. I'm not one to read too far into regular season games, but when you say "Flip doesn't know how to beat the Spurs.", I have to correct you. As of now, "Pop doesn't know how the beat Flip's Pistons" is a more accurate statement. Not one I would make, but it has more truth to it than yours.
I agree, but I wonder what's different...I mean, obviously the Pistons play better team basketball than the Wolves ever did, but he wasn't able to win a playoff series with one of the greatest players ever for 7 years. But this year, with a new team playing in a new system, he is favored to win the NBA le and break all kinds of records along the way. How could there be such a drastic change from one team to another? How much can we attribute to Flip? To the players? Did his system just fit better with those players? Or is this yet again another example of the old adage that teams, not individual superstars, win les? Inquiring minds want to know....
Duncan had 3 points in the last 5 minutes of game 7. 1 for 3 FGs, and 1 FT. His only FG make was about a 20 footer. It's funny how your memory slips over time, and forgets that it was Tayshaun Prince on Duncan (LB's idiotic move) when Duncan went off. And it was the 3rd quarter.It's hilarious because of the facts behind it. Blame the finals on Sheed dude. Leaving Horry wide open, letting Duncan toy with him in game 7 with 5 mins to go.
Poor, poor sheed.
but when you say "Flip doesn't know how to beat the Spurs.", I have to correct you. As of now, "Pop doesn't know how the beat Flip's Pistons" is a more accurate statement. Not one I would make, but it has more truth to it than yours
Picky grumpy sonofa isn't he?
Look at 99, 01, regular seasons where Flip coached very talented Timberwolves teams, that beat the Spurs in the regular season, but then turned to dimwits in the playoffs.
ESPECIALLY, 99.
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