If were not worried about Dallas we should be

[leemajors]

duncan has been posting centers up for years...

[5ToolMan]

Does Detroit have any real low post threat? How'd they ever win a championship? How'd they take you to 7? How have they beaten you soundly twice this year?

Yes oh great hoops mind, the Pistons do have a serious low post threat.

In fact on the defensive there is non better. Only the Spurs are in the same league with their defensive interior.

On offense both Rasheed and McDyes are great post players and Wallace is a huge threat for creating havoc in the offensive boards.

I would rate the Pistons post offense at 10 and their post offense potential at an 7. Dallas would rate at 5 on defense and 2 on offense.

When you figure out the difference, get back to me.

[5ToolMan]

Yep, that's all I have to say, Parker has an inept outside shot, his midrange jumper is at best average. He has a lot of speed which in turn lets him get a lot of layups, he's incredibly mediocre for a guard from the free throw line, and he's certainly not in the top 5 passers in the league. He's a slasher, who can be taken out of the game with a few hard fouls. Honestly if I were guarding him I'd give him 5' on the perimeter so that I could easily keep him in front of me, he'd have open outside jumpers all day until he started hitting them. If he by chance did get by me I'd simply send him to the line.

That's not to say I wouldn't love having a guy like Parker on my team, as a matter of fact the Mavs have Harris who is a whole lot like Parker. On a team with real outside threats Parker could have a field day with drawing and kicking, but SA has no outside threats anymore.

If the opposing guard sent Tony to the line everytime he got by them, they would not play more than 5 minutes.

Despite all the yahoos still claiming you can get physical with Tony and keep him out of the paint he has never stopped his penetration since the Laker series in 2004. Last year the Pistons tried to play him physical. Tony took the licking and kept on ticking. He was one of the few Spurs who brought his game - game after game.

On Tony's less than great midrange shot and freethrows, there too you may be living in the past. Since Tony has all but abandoned the three, he has shown continued improvement in his midrange shot and his free throws. He has a private coach that has worked with him since summer, and it appears to be paying off.

In the Toronto game he was almost perfect from mid-range and was a perfect 8 for 8 from the line. Not only did the shots fall, but the motion and followthrough was perfect, you expected them to drop.

[5ToolMan]

Well the mavs have 12 fouls to give. If Diop gets in foul trouble than Dampier would welcome guarding Duncan. I don't see Duncan posting up a center. That is hard to do. He will have to go out more on the perimeter.

Duncan has posted up and abused centers in the post most of his career. Duncan has played many huge moments beside Rose and now beside Horry. In this lineup there is little arguement that Duncan is playing center on both ends of the floor. On offense, Tim has been the Spurs greatest threat in the low post since March of 1998, causing many teams to try to guard him with their center.

[Mavtek]

Yes oh great hoops mind, the Pistons do have a serious low post threat.

In fact on the defensive there is non better. Only the Spurs are in the same league with their defensive interior.

On offense both Rasheed and McDyes are great post players and Wallace is a huge threat for creating havoc in the offensive boards.

I would rate the Pistons post offense at 10 and their post offense potential at an 7. Dallas would rate at 5 on defense and 2 on offense.

When you figure out the difference, get back to me.

The Pistons do not have a serious low post threat on the offensive end. Rasheed is not and hasn't been for years if he ever was one. He certainly didn't do it in Portland, and I've never seen him do it in Detroit. You'd think if Sheed was such a low post threat Portland would've gotten by Dallas in the Playoffs a few years back when Sheed was at his peak. And please don't talk about Mc Dyes you clearly haven't seen him play very much. He's out there playing against backups, his numbers are inflated and he'd much rather pull up a midrange jumper than go down in the block.

Now if you are telling me that they have a low post presence on offense because big Ben is a great offensive rebounder well guess what, Dampier is #4 in offensive rebounding with almost half the minutes!

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...-1&sortOrder=1

Wanna talk about low post defense? Guess which team is leading the league in fewest points in the paint allowed? That's right Dallas!

Here's another one for you! Diop is #3 in blocks per 48 minutes, that's right #3!
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/desaga....html?nav=page

You're living in a dream world if you somehow think that the Spurs and Pistons are loads better in low post D than the Mavs. Only time will tell, but I'm seeing fewer and fewer advantages for the Pistons or the Spurs.

[T Park]

The Pistons do not have a serious low post threat on the offensive end

Don't watch many Piston's games do ya.



Man, the arrogance of the _allas fans is unreal.

[5ToolMan]

[QUOTE=Mavtek]The Pistons do not have a serious low post threat on the offensive end. Rasheed is not and hasn't been for years if he ever was one. He certainly didn't do it in Portland, and I've never seen him do it in Detroit. You'd think if Sheed was such a low post threat Portland would've gotten by Dallas in the Playoffs a few years back when Sheed was at his peak. And please don't talk about Mc Dyes you clearly haven't seen him play very much. He's out there playing against backups, his numbers are inflated and he'd much rather pull up a midrange jumper than go down in the block./QUOTE]

I have seen plenty of each from the SEVEN GAMES NBA Finals, the two blowouts of the Spurs and many games I watch on League Pass that do not interfere with Spurs games.

Rasheed has a great low post game. Casual fans just don't recognize it because it is under utilized because it is also quite effective for him to pull his man out of the post for penetration and offensive rebounding by others. When Rasheed posts he is always able to either get his shot off or make a good pass to an open teammate. McDyes also can post quite well. I have seen him post Nesto, Nazr, Duncan and especially Horry with success.

Dallas has no one who will dare tp try to take their game in the post against any of the Spurs big three post defenders.

Now if you are telling me that they have a low post presence on offense because big Ben is a great offensive rebounder well guess what, Dampier is #4 in offensive rebounding with almost half the
minutes!.

In the age of small ball, there are many anomilies in statistice that won't equate to squat, when the big boys his the floor in the playoffs. Wallace with his quickness is for any of the Spurs to keep off the boards. With Dampier there are several Spurs strong enough, big enough and quick enough to seal off the boards.

Wanna talk about low post defense? Guess which team is leading the league in fewest points in the paint allowed? That's right Dallas!

Here's another one for you! Diop is #3 in blocks per 48 minutes, that's right #3! .

Go back to my statement about about the many statistical anomilies in today's age of small ball to get your answer.

I certainly acknowledge the Mavs are stronger in Defense this year. But their statistics are not built on an entire year of playing the best at their best. Untill the Mavs can demonstrate they can play post offense and post defense near the level of the big dogs against the big dogs in the playoffs, they will again be playoff fodder.

You're living in a dream world if you somehow think that the Spurs and Pistons are loads better in low post D than the Mavs. Only time will tell, but I'm seeing fewer and fewer advantages for the Pistons or the Spurs.

You got one thing correct. Time will tell.

[Extra Stout]

I'll be worried about Dallas in the 2006-07 season. This year, they don't have the experience needed to beat the Spurs in a playoff series, but rather only to test them.

Avery Johnson has done a great job teaching Dallas how to win consistently without smoke and mirrors a la Don Nelson. But they're not going to learn how to become a champion until they get close and fail. Last year they got out-clutched by a Suns team that, immediately following their beating of Dallas, learned the lesson Dallas will have to learn this year.

Unless Dallas just runs away with it and ends up 10 games ahead of the Spurs, such that they are so dominant that it overcomes their relative inexperience deep in the postseason, they will not make it out of the second round.

Frankly, Phoenix is a bigger threat in the 2006 playoffs. The value of playoff experience cannot be underestimated.

These comments apply only to this year. It is becoming increasingly clear that this Mavericks team over the next few years is the most likely to knock the Spurs off their throne in the West. But first they must earn their stripes.

[Mavtek]

5 Tool, if the Spurs are so great at preventing Dampier from getting offensive boards how come he's averaging 3.8 orpg vs the Spurs in the last 6 games he's played em, and he's done that in just 25 minutes per?

I'm sorry my statistics aren't working for you, that's just too bad, but I don't know how to argue unless I present factual data. I guess I could just say no you're wrong cause I just know they are better, but then everyone would just call me a homer.

[leemajors]

5tool already said the mavs are better on defense this year. what is your point?

[T Park]

love how these mavs fans all of a sudden think Eric Dampier is a legit center.

[SequSpur]

The Pistons do not have a serious low post threat on the offensive end. Rasheed is not and hasn't been for years if he ever was one. He certainly didn't do it in Portland, and I've never seen him do it in Detroit.

You're living in a dream world if you somehow think that the Spurs and Pistons are loads better in low post D than the Mavs. Only time will tell, but I'm seeing fewer and fewer advantages for the Pistons or the Spurs.

Dude, props to you and your team.

But you're a ing idiot.

[leemajors]

ahahaha

[Leetonidas]

Minus Pandemonium, you Dallas fans aren't very bright. If you really think Diop and Dampier are going to stop the Spurs, you're living in a fantasy land. Those are the only two pretty good decent defensive players for Dallas, and the Spurs starting line has better defensive players than the entire Dallas team.

Rasho: Probably one of the best defensive bigmen there is, behind Ben Wallace.

Tim Duncan: Just that name should put fear into you.

Bruce Bowen: Best perimeter defender.

Manu Ginobili: Not as good as Bruce, but Manu is one of a tenacious defender.

Tony Parker: Tony can stay in front of any point guard. Terry cannot stay in front of him and he does not have anywhere close to the strength of Billups.

So yeah, keep living in your Dirk will own everyone, Josh Howard is God, Terry is clutch, and Keith Van Horn is Jesus reborn fantasy land. Dallas is a good team, but they are not going to beat the Spurs in the playoffs.

Take Phoenix as a good example and look how they got their asses handed to them.

[SequSpur]

Rasho: Probably one of the best defensive bigmen there is, behind Ben Wallace.

Ok... you're take was very good except for this part. Back off the yaigerPOPster......

[phyzik]

Dude, props to you and your team.

But you're a ing idiot.

truth...

[pking]

Minus Pandemonium, you Dallas fans aren't very bright. If you really think Diop and Dampier are going to stop the Spurs, you're living in a fantasy land. Those are the only two pretty good decent defensive players for Dallas, and the Spurs starting line has better defensive players than the entire Dallas team.

Rasho: Probably one of the best defensive bigmen there is, behind Ben Wallace.

Tim Duncan: Just that name should put fear into you.

Bruce Bowen: Best perimeter defender.

Manu Ginobili: Not as good as Bruce, but Manu is one of a tenacious defender.

Tony Parker: Tony can stay in front of any point guard. Terry cannot stay in front of him and he does not have anywhere close to the strength of Billups.

So yeah, keep living in your Dirk will own everyone, Josh Howard is God, Terry is clutch, and Keith Van Horn is Jesus reborn fantasy land. Dallas is a good team, but they are not going to beat the Spurs in the playoffs.

Take Phoenix as a good example and look how they got their asses handed to them.

Trust me, not all of us Dallas fans think like that.

[Leetonidas]

Ok... you're take was very good except for this part. Back off the yaigerPOPster......

You don't think Rasho is a great defensive center? What other center besides Wallace is a better interior defender than him?

And pking, then you are on the list with Pandemonium.

[adrienne]

If you could assume an entire fanbase was as dumb as their stupidest fan/fans, I'd have an EXTREMELY low opinion of Spurs fans.

I think Mavs are the third best team in the league, behind Detroit and San Antonio. I respect those teams talents. And I respect that this is a Spurs board. But to those of you STILL referring to Dallas as "-allas"...watch an effing Mavs game. THIS. IS. NOT. THE. SAME. TEAM.

That is all.

Go Mavs, and God bless you all.

[Leetonidas]

If you could assume an entire fanbase was as dumb as their stupidest fan/fans, I'd have an EXTREMELY low opinion of Spurs fans.

I was talking about the posters who have replied in this thread.

[JHoLove]

Diop and Dampier are going to stop the Spurs

Well, not all by themselves.

[Mavtek]

God this place is full of way too many homers, I'm using stats and facts and you can only retort with " ing idiot".

[SequSpur]

God this place is full of way too many homers, I'm using stats and facts and you can only retort with " ing idiot".

rasheed is one of the best post players in the NBA and he can shoot the three, I think you got him mixed up with Noweakski.

[Leetonidas]

God this place is full of way too many homers, I'm using stats and facts and you can only retort with " ing idiot".

Stats don't mean anything come playoff team, because I think the Suns had a better record stat wise than the Spurs.

[angel_luv]

Dude Mavs down 17 in the first quarter to Denver... I never thought I would say this but go Nuggets!