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What part of what he was doing was "opinion" I guess is what I don't understand of your point of view. That bears are wild and dangerous and unpredictable and playing with them probably isn't a really good idea is pretty much a proven fact.
See, I love spiders ... but if I can't identify it I stay far away.
What part of what he was doing was "opinion" I guess is what I don't understand of your point of view. That bears are wild and dangerous and unpredictable and playing with them probably isn't a really good idea is pretty much a proven fact.
not sure this is the right thread but
elpimpos dog had puppies one summer (like 02 or 03), and he was home from college, broke, and didnt want to have to mess with them, so he got all the puppies, doublewrapped them in some trashbags, and threw them out the window on hwy 77
that was ruthless
but a bear... is not even a human, he has no ruth factor, because he's a bear
Yes, it's the right thread. Wild bears have no problem wrapping up the stupid, unwanted little human and throwing him out of the car window at 80mph.
some of yall just don't understand ruth
I've lost all respect for elpimpo. I hope what he did to the puppies happens to his first two children.
that is so wrong.
Okay, now imagine if a puppy went to elpimpos house right afterwards. Would you classify that puppy as crazy or just eccentric?
Okay, now imagine if a puppy went to elpimpos house right afterwards. Would you classify that puppy as crazy or just eccentric?
i would call it the devil
I had a dog a few years ago that jumped out of my car while I was driving. I was only going about 10 mph through a parking lot, but I flipped out either way. I hate seeing injured dogs.
Either that, or just passionate about elpimpo.Okay, now imagine if a puppy went to elpimpos house right afterwards. Would you classify that puppy as crazy or just eccentric?
I tell that story because its true
elpimpo showed no ruth. Like cheney i'll remember it for the rest of my life
Grizzly Bears are some serious bad mofo's. I went on a two week trip in British Columbia once. We flew into Fort St. John and caught a Cessna 185 out to the base camp which was about 60 miles from the nearest highway. It was really wild terrain in the heart of grizzly country. They had a local horse herd there the outfitter had imported...The horses we used were basically wild and just green broke. The guides were some of the toughest men I have ever been around. They were all local indians that hired out to the outfitter. I was in great shape and a good horse hand and extremely determined to fit in with the guides...We had some brutal days...we would travel 25-30 miles a day up and down mountains, sometimes cross country through miles of spruce deadfalls...cutting trails with axes and jumping our horses through the mess...we would leave at 4 in the morning riding in the dark and get back to base camp at 10 pm riding in the dark. Again, these were some of the toughest and most fearless men I have ever been around.
To the man, the guides had a respect bordering on extreme fear of the grizzlies that really impressed me. We would ride miles out of way to avoid them if we cut fresh grizzly sign. The fact that these "hard as nail" guys were so afraid of them really impressed me. Several nights we slept on the ground overnight instead of going back to base camp and I have to admit that as tired as I was it was still difficult to go to sleep seeing how nervous the guides were.
My understanding of some of what he was trying to do, was that he was trying to show that they aren't as dangerous and unpredictable as you have preconceived
And he did prove this, to some extent.
What I got from viewing his work, was that he was also willingly taking the risk because he was trying to walk the line between what bears have been 'programmed' to do by nature and what they can be 'taught' or 'learn' to do when in contact with humans (and in doing so enhancing their ppublic reputation, which is a prime factor in degree of protection they recieve)
Lets see....he was there for many years...i dont know how many
but lets say two
That's 365 + 365 + 730 days.
So let's say on day 730 he was killed.
So that's 24 hours x 730 days = 17520 hours he spent in relatively close contact with bears. Let's say it took him one hour to die.
So...going on this we can say that someone like him, doing something 'crazy' and messing with 'unpredictable' beasts had a 1 in 17520 chance of being killed by a bear at any given hour he was with them.
And he was just one guy....if more people were "crazy" like him, maybe htey'd push the odds even further...maybe not....bears ARE wild, and ARE unpredictable but their behavior is also plastic and whether he intentionally was doing this or not he was practically mapping out the plasticity of their behavior in regards to human stimuli and presence....
Pretty cool to me.
He proved to this guy at least, that bears are not as wild and unpredictable as the common Marriott might think so.
But I'm not conservative, so I have a pre-existing bias, as timvp already stated.
Exactly. And, everyone tends to forget that he lived out there for MANY years before his luck ran out. He knew more about grizzly bears than any other human. And there was never any indication that he ever used any kind of drugs while he was out in the wild. His friends said he used marijuana occasionally when he was "in" (not in the wild). I have read quite a bit about this guy, kept track of him for years before his death. His death was a sad day in the study of wild animals, especially bears. I also followd the people who lived with wolves for many years, raising them from pups to full-grown wolves and relocating them to the wild. Very interesting stuff.
People do not understand what drives others to do these things, but I guess it stand to reason that they ridicule and belittle what they do not understand. Sad.
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WHAT I UNDERSTAND...
BEFORE
AFTER
I don't think what drives people to make love to a pile of bear is something I really even care to understand.
Dude was WACK! Just look at the film of the bear that many believed killed him. The bear was diving for salmon scraps and was obviously hungry as this was late in the year. Being there at that time of the year was not about passion. It was about dinner.
The deal breaker for me (as far as him being "crazy") were his perceptions of the messages the fisherman left behind for him. "Hi Timothy. See you summer 2001." Seems pretty harmless to normal people. But in his paranoid mind, it served as some sort of "warning." As if they were "out to get him." The same with the the little smiley face he found on a rock. Most people look at that and think, "have a nice day". But to him, it was just another "creepy" warning of impending danger. Yeah, those menacing smiley faces sure are spooky lookin.
Dude wasn't playing with a full deck.
Crazy is as crazy does. He was a FREE man in the true sense of the word until that day. That's a freedom most don't get to ever experience. BUT...the real world definitely has it's advantages. Godbless him.
I don't know if his death makes or breaks the story. I will ponder this.
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