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  1. #51
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    30k is about the mlb average.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

  2. #52
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    Between 23k and 25k doing the math via those numbers. 30k is being nice.

  3. #53
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    Works for Arizona who has a 49k seat stadium and only avgs. 25k a game.

    It also works for the Coloardo Rockies who have a 50k stadium and pack in a whooping 24k.

    Atlanta has a 50k stadium and avg. a good 31k.

    OK, that makes sense now.

    The Spurs struggle to pack 17-18k for 41 games a yr. This is a team that has won 3 rings the past 7yrs.

    So lets bring in baseball (in a football county) with 80+ games a yr and expect to avg at lest 24k of a 50k stadium a game. Ok I'm all for it.

    Kiss any hope for a football team to come if this goes through. Especially when it fails miserably and they leave in 5-7 yrs.

    I hope I'm 100% wrong and we succeed, but I doubt it.

  4. #54
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    no baseball team sells out every night.

    If they are averaging 25 to 30 thow a night, they are making good money.


    Bring the SA Marlins on down!!!

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    Between 23k and 25k doing the math via those numbers. 30k is being nice.
    looking at the overall numbers in the right side there are only 2 teams that average under 23-25k

    looking at just home attendance, 2/3 of the teams have home attendance over 25k

    so i don't know how that would add up to an overall mlb attendance of 23-25k

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    Between 23k and 25k doing the math via those numbers. 30k is being nice.
    Using advanced Microsoft Excel technology (the =average(num1,num2) function) - the average MLB attendence in 2005 was 30,922.

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    Using advanced Microsoft Excel technology (the =average(num1,num2) function) - the average MLB attendence in 2005 was 30,922.


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    OK, that makes sense now.

    The Spurs struggle to pack 17-18k for 41 games a yr. This is a team that has won 3 rings the past 7yrs.
    Struggle? They've sold out every game this season.

    They never in the past have had trouble selling out playoff games.

    And you wanna know something, Mr. Know it All, the LAKERS never sold out every game during their threepeat era with Shaq and Kobe.

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    looking at the overall numbers in the right side there are only 2 teams that average under 23-25k

    looking at just home attendance, 2/3 of the teams have home attendance over 25k

    so i don't know how that would add up to an overall mlb attendance of 23-25k
    That's because I did it off the top of my head without using the entire number.

    Which is my fault.
    Last edited by Buddy Holly; 03-05-2006 at 02:42 AM.

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    The Eastside NFL, MLB, Nascar, PGA sports complex.

  11. #61
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    That's because I did it off the top of my head without using the entire number.

    Which is my fault.

  12. #62
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    And you wanna know something, Mr. Know it All, the LAKERS never sold out every game during their threepeat era with Shaq and Kobe.



    I really don't know that much about baseball, don't like it very much at all. Thats why I kept asking questions about the seating. But it just doesn't make sense, it really doesn't. Not if we're hoping to bring in a football team.

    We should be saving the "stadium plan" for a football team. But I guess you try to get what you can when it comes around. It will put us back another 10+yrs before we even think about a football team.

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    The Eastside NFL, MLB, Nascar, PGA sports complex.
    PGA sports? The east side complex doesn't have anything PGA porposed. Just a relocated and bigger golf course to the one that's currently there.

    As for the project itself.

    You really don't understand how it is to work, huh?

    Everything sans the sports stadiums would be built with private money from investors.

    The "Vision" is to help entice teams and leagues to relocate or expand here.

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    I really don't know that much about baseball, don't like it very much at all. Thats why I kept asking questions about the seating. But it just doesn't make sense, it really doesn't. Not if we're hoping to bring in a football team.
    The thing is, you're using your own personal feelings to gauge this thing.

    We should be saving the "stadium plan" for a football team.
    What football team?

    That's like saying your saving yourself for that really hot girl with a boyfriend when there's an as hot girl standing right next to you asking you out.

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    PGA sports? The east side complex doesn't have anything PGA porposed. Just a relocated and bigger golf course to the one that's currently there.

    As for the project itself.

    You really don't understand how it is to work, huh?

    Everything sans the sports stadiums would be built with private money from investors.

    The "Vision" is to help entice teams and leagues to relocate or expand here.
    I still say you are a jackoff for thinking that is possible. What kind of private investors are going to put up money for all that without even knowing whether teams or leagues will fill them.

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    I still say you are a jackoff for thinking that is possible. What kind of private investors are going to put up money for all that without even knowing whether teams or leagues will fill them.
    Exactly, but with the Marlins in serious discussions with the county, what developer wouldn't want to invest in a complex where one could live, shop, party, work and watch a sporting event.

    Developers/Investors going where they can make money. And just like most modern sports facilities in America, a lot ar enow coming with "sports complex's" attached.

    The Staples Center and its Downtown LA complex.

    Dallas with the Mavs Victory project and the Cowboys with their sports complex.

    It's smart business.

    Again, you get the team to commit here, that stuff will go up.

  17. #67
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    Also, you should know that there are two different "proposals" for creatling a sporting complex.

    One by Bexar County and another by HollyHills.

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    The thing is, you're using your own personal feelings to gauge this thing.

    No, I really don't think it will work. The only reason its gotten this far is because Wolfe is a Major baseball fan. San Antonio is not a baseball city. Do you see this city going crazy for the Astro's or Rangers, like they do for the Cowboys or Texans. No. Again I hope it works, but I doubt it.

    What football team? That's like saying your saving yourself for that really hot girl with a boyfriend when there's an as hot girl standing right next to you asking you out.
    Huh, did you read my next line???

    "But I guess you try to get what you can when it comes around"

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    all i know is, if i'm still living here when a team comes, i'd find any way i can to buy at least a half season ticket package

  20. #70
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    No, I really don't think it will work. The only reason its gotten this far is because Wolfe is a Major baseball fan.
    Yeah. that's it. I guess Hardberger isn't as much of a fan for NFL as Wolff is for Baseball.

    What are you? 5?

    San Antonio is not a baseball city.
    And Dallas, Phoenix, Charlotte weren't hockey cities.

    Give me a break.

    Do you see this city going crazy for the Astro's or Rangers, like they do for the Cowboys or Texans. No. Again I hope it works, but I doubt it.
    Yeah,that's a great way to guage a city in whether or not they can support a MLB team.

    "How much does your city get off to for teams of the same sport in other cities?"

    What the kind of re ed methodology is that?

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    San Antonio is not a baseball city. Do you see this city going crazy for the Astro's or Rangers, like they do for the Cowboys or Texans. No. Again I hope it works, but I doubt it.
    I think people here will support any major franchise that comes around simply because it is a part of the city. It may be easier to get people to support a new baseball team than it would a new football team. Not many people would want to turn their back on the Cowboys to support the Saints, but people that have no ties to any baseball franchise would support a new San Antonio team simply because it's the cities team. Even if they aren't really into baseball.

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    That's like saying your saving yourself for that really hot girl with a boyfriend when there's an as hot girl standing right next to you asking you out.
    Except MLB baseball is more like a chick so fat and ugly that you still wouldn't her with your buddy's even after you are face drunk.

  23. #73
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    Except MLB baseball is more like a chick so fat and ugly that you still wouldn't her with your buddy's even after you are face drunk.
    Dude, I've seen your pictures.

    If MLB is that, you're what, the NHL? MLS?

  24. #74
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    I'm the guy who doesn't jack off to the San Antonio Business Journal.

  25. #75
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    I'm the guy who doesn't jack off to the San Antonio Business Journal.
    If we could all be so lucky.

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