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Perhaps there are a limited number of such sponsors in the market with a limit amount of $ for sponsorships and season tix/suite packages?
Professional sports mostly draw from the big sponsors anyway, they aren't going after Busseys flea market.
Bud, Pepsi, Coke, etc. can sponsor every sporting team in the nation.
Again, pulling straws.
Perhaps there are a limited number of such sponsors in the market with a limit amount of $ for sponsorships and season tix/suite packages?
This conversation is over Sequ's head.
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[QUOTE=SequSpur]Leave the baseball discussion to baseball fans.
They aren't trying to sell out. Baseball teams get money from attendance, TV, concessions, parking, apparel, collectibles, sponsorships etc. etc.... The money is damn near guaranteed.
Teams are not doing well because their stadium deals ing blow.... They probably don't give a rats ass if the place is half full for games. They understand there are 81 got damn games in a season.
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There are enough healthcare pharmaceutical companies within 50 miles that could purchase every suite available in a new stadium.
That's just healthcare....
What about other businesses? As long as there is perks, they are going to sell the suites....
They (Companies) need them for marketing purposes (Tax writeoffs).
Leave the baseball talk to real fans.
Sequ, just look at this board as an example.
It's mostly a Spurs board, but a significant fraction of them follow/go to baseball games. These aren't two exclusive populations.
Yeah, the seasons don't overlap that much, but unless you have unlimited disposable income and time, you'd have to make some choices.
How many times have you missed a Spurs game to go candlepinning?
Less than .75% of the city and surrounding areas population attends a Spurs basketball game.
Next argument.
At one time? Yeah, but that's not the question.
The questions are:
-how many different people go to a Spurs game over the course of a year.
-how many of those people are also in the pool of people who would go baseball games
-how much money are they willing to spend combined on Spurs and baseball
-what fraction they are willing to spend on Spurs vs. baseball
What is the average Spurs ticket below Club 200? About $100?? I sat in the 11th row against Dallas and the face value was $190. That's insane.
The Spurs have eliminated 98-99% of the poplulation by:
1. Ticket prices
2. Limited availability (18.5K attendance)
3. Costs of parking
4. Costs of concessions
5. Costs of merchandise
Baseball is going to get the dollar from a totally different fan, source, sponsorship base, etc. Will there be overlap? Oh yeah... But the overlap is going to come from the Charter Seats.
The average Joe is going to go to a baseball game. That is where his dollar is best used.
I agree the per game cost is lower for baseball, but you also have twice as many game and a stadium about 2.5 times bigger. So I'm not sure that the amount PER YEAR you're asking isn't close or more than basketball.
I don't agree that the target fan populations are that different. Sure you have some hard core one-sport fans, but they're in the minority. I don't kow any references, but I'm sure that somebody somewhere has studied this. All I know is that people make a big deal about how it's easier to be supported in a single-team market.
MLB in SA, if it happens, wouldn't start play until 2010 at the very least.
That's a lot of time. The structure of San Antonio will be completely different both socioeconomically and population wise.
If the AT&T/BellSouth merger goes through, that is incredibly huge for this city.
And guess what, the Marlins say San Antonio is a ready market, the Spurs now feel it is, what more do some of you nancy boys need?
Unless the metro area doubles its corporate base and population in 4 years, not a chance.
I think the Spurs are selling to a Ruth Chris type crowd now. I know they have some cheaper tickets available, but 2 people going to a Spurs game is going to run close to a hundred/game just to walk in.
I have a few friends that used to go to the Spurs all the time when they were in the dome, but have never been in the SBC Center.
I had season tickets for 7 years. It was costing me between $900-$1200/yr for 2 tickets. Now, for the same type seat, its between $2200-$2800/yr for 2 tickets. So hence to say, I am no longer a season ticket holder. Priced out.
I went to a Rangers/Orioles series back in August and paid less than $100 for four tickets to two games.
Technically, the hotel, meals and tickets for four for 2 games would've been almost the same as if we all attended a Spurs game.
Baseball to me appeals more to the market in San Antonio now.
Why does it need to double, MB?
Because you said?
Look at the markets the Marlins are looking at for relocation:
Portland
Las Vegas
Norfolk
Charlotte
Portland is larger by about 100,000 people. However, MSA San Antonio is growing faster.
Las Vegas is a smaller metro with a growth rate that is slowly down.
Norfolk. Well, San Antonio lapped Norfolk as of 2000 (now: 1.9 vs 1.6 2000: 1.5 vs 1.5)
Charlotte. They've already said they can't support three teams.
Why is SA a lock for a successful MLB franchise, because you said?
The only way it's going to make sense for a MLB to relocate to SA is to get a sweetheart stadium deal. It won't be anything that the ghost of CA Stubbs won't be able to defeat in his sleep.
Yeah, quote me. Where did I say they would be successful.
I never did and I never will. Not until we get a team here and a season going,
It is either does well or it doesn't.
In baseball, doing well doesn't mean selling out a 47,000 seat stadium 81 times or having a population of 4 million or whatever stupid you deem necessary.
Is success measurable?
As I said before, the MLB, just like the NBA, just like NFL has guaranteed revenue not based on attendance.
Is success winning? Is success breaking even? Is success managing under a cap?
What is success in sports?
As long as their is a place to play, these owners will be successful. The money is guaranteed. Their revenue streams are so stacked and creative, they will be bankrolling for along time.
The NFL plays 8 home games. MLB plays 81. This isn't even apples and oranges, it's like apples and horses, or apples and ceiling tiles.
Baseball franchises require a higher local income level than any of the other of the 4 major sports. SA will be ready in about 30 years.
If a team gets the same deal as the Spurs, they are going to make money/break even.
Come over to my house and I'll take you on a short 15 minute drive and show you 2000+ brand new houses priced at >$200,000.
And no I don't live in Stone Oak.
Yeah, and no MLB team sells out all 81. None.
The closest percentage wise is the Cubs at 38,000.
When they offer the cheapest tickets???Baseball franchises require a higher local income level than any of the other of the 4 major sports.
Yeah, it doesn't mean drawing 47K a night. It means being able to pull 17K.
If the market isn't there, both in terms of population as well as in regards to the corporate base, it isn't going to work. Those teams are shopping for a community stupid enough to give them a gravy train. At some point the worth of having a team is going to be deemed less than what the community will be asked to put up. You don't have the allure of having the 1st pro franchise in the area to put it on the map as a carrot.
Maybe you try the angle that a NFL ready stadium which the MLB franchise would play in would make sense; would give the city the chance to land a NFL franchise in a couple of years. Of course, it's not like SA hasn't heard the 'build it and they will come' pitch before.
A sidenote... ESPN offered the PGA Tour 500 mill just to air a few tourneys a year guaranteeing a matchup of Mickelson and Woods on Thursday and Friday coverage....
The PGA tour turned it down.... there is alot of money out there that is being passed around....
They could play in an empty stadium if needed.
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