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Excellent post
Seriously ... men do have the same & equal rights as women. They have the right to keep their in their pants just as a woman has a right to keep her legs closed. Proceed at your own risk.
Seriously ... men do have the same & equal rights as women. They have the right to keep their in their pants just as a woman has a right to keep her legs closed. Proceed at your own risk.
Excellent post
Seriously ... men do have the same & equal rights as women. They have the right to keep their in their pants just as a woman has a right to keep her legs closed. Proceed at your own risk.
I love it. A man has to keep his in his pants but not his wallet.
Indeed. So when you choose to keep the baby, don't come asking for money. Proceed at your own risk.
Seriously ... men do have the same & equal rights as women. They have the right to keep their in their pants just as a woman has a right to keep her legs closed. Proceed at your own risk.
*opening up the can of gasoline*
Well, men only want the choice to not to have to write a check, not, um, terminate the child.
Hey, if men can't concieve and carry children, then why shoudl we have to pay for them? The woman's doing all the work right? Thats her deal.
Unless she conceived through immaculate conception, the woman did NOT do all the work.
Oh, so now men do have a part in the pregnancy. Incredible! Someone should tell Pache that.
I understand that perfectly, Manny. I'm not the one with the problem over it.
If I had a child (when I could have had a child) by a man I was not married to, I certainly would not have expected nor wanted him to contribute in any way toward the welfare of that child if he were not willing. Unfortunately, not all women are in the (financial) position to say that.
Women of America: Seeking control of their bodies and of men's wallets.
Edit: Thought better of it.
Manny, I agree with you on more occasions than I disagree with you. But this argument is not worth any more of my time. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I don't see either of us budging. I know you will not change my mind. And I will not stoop to personally insulting you.
I find it interesting that the men who have piped up the loudest on this issue have no kids. I am not saying that is good or bad- not even sure what it means. Just an observation.
As for controlling wallets, that is after the fact. And it's not about control, its about responsibility. Men and women will NEVER have equality when it comes to reproduction, and that is something that men have to live with. Just like women have to face choices about career vs. babies and so forth that are unfair, men have their burdens as well. But this law seeks to make a bad situation worse.
Because of reproduction alone, men and women will never be equal, period. If they are not equal,and face different challenges in pregnancy, you can not expect equal rights as well.
I wholeheartedly agree with the " in Pants" philosophy as a practice. I just think that in legal terms, that's oversimplifying it a bit.
Make no mistake, I have no sympathy for deadbeat dads. (Cue Mouse alias)
The cons ution disagrees with you. That arguement carries no legal weight. Abortion has set a precedent and if women are willing to have the right that the pregnancy is theirs to decide what to do with, they must also shoulder the financial responsiblity that comes with that right.
You see, you guys are trying to tell guys they can't have it both ways, but right now it is the women of this country who have it both ways.
Since when is a baby a "medical problem"?
But anyways, back to the original post. My feeling in this situation, is the same feeling I have toward abortion (that is, abortion of a baby NOT caused by rape, incest, or where the mother's life is in danger). And that is: "If you dont want a garden, dont plant a seed." That goes for men and woman. If you are not mature enough to deal with ALL the posible results of having sex, then dont have sex.
Indeed.
A baby is not a medical problem. A pregnancy is.
Wow. You'd think with all of the money-grubbing, conniving es out there that are just ing and getting knocked up to land themselves a wallet, you men would take better measures to protect yourselves...or at least get to know who you're unloading into a little better so you don't become such a victim.I love it. A man has to keep his in his pants but not his wallet.
Saying women have it both ways is an oversimplification as well.
Again...word.
Pregnancy is a medical problem? I disagree. How is it a "problem"?
Really?
If a woman wants to keep a pregnancy she can and have the father financialy liable and the father gets no say so.
If she doesn't, she can terminate it and the father who woudl otherwise be financial liable has no say so.
Medical condition would probably be a more fitting description. But many pregnancies cause major health problems, and almost all of them cause at least minor health problems at some point or another. Have you ever been pregnant?
Oh... and the thought of women getting pregnant to trap a man and a wallet is completely LAUGHABLE. Do you realize how much it costs to raise a child, and how little of that child support actually covers!?!?!?
Now I think I get why its the guys with no children ing about this...
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