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Duncan for LeBron would be a great trade for San Antonio. It would never happen though.
a team of Billups, Wade and lebron would still lose to a team of Parker, manu and Duncan.
Duncan for LeBron would be a great trade for San Antonio. It would never happen though.
If the Spurs were dumb enough to trade Duncan, I'd hope they kept him in the west so he could knock their asses out of the playoffs.
Well said!
Wow, that's tough.
I would say no for only one reason. Tony Parker. You can't have TP and Bron in the same backcourt. So if you traded Tim, you'd have to trade TP too. But that wasn't the question!
Oh, not to mention Manu.
Duncan for Lebron is not a good deal for San Antonio unless they plan to rebuild.
Pros
-10 year age difference
-Great for marketing.
-He is 'the future' of the league.
Cons
-Tim is proven.
-You already have solid guards. (tony & tp)
She said Dirk was a strong big man. Funniest thing I've heard today. He's big. Not strong and doesn't play in the middle.Lebron has yet to prove anything in the NBA. He hasn't even taken his team into the postseason yet. And he hasn't proven to be as clutch in the 4th quarter like many of his counter-parts...Kobe, Wade, AI, etc.
With that said, every good team in the NBA has to have a strong big man in the middle to succeed. Lakers had Shaq, Detroit has Ben, Mavs have Dirk, Suns have Amare. I don't know any team in the NBA who is a championship contender without one. Lebron is great, no doubt...but if you don't have the rest of the pieces around him, the trade is pointless.
Anyways, Duncan rules
i wouldn't trade timmy for that effing lebron james.. not in a million years..! trade the core of your team for an effing selfish guy..?! duh.. the same goes for manu, i wouldn't trade him for wade, no matter how great or amazing or whatever wade is..
At this point no. Tim still has a few good years left and this team is built around him, if he was traded drastic changes would have to be made before this team would be successful....
I agree and disagree ;-)
Historically championships teams have been built around great centers, not big men. Dirk is not a center, nor does he play anything like one. When I say center I mean a guy who blocks shots, rebounds, and takes high percentage shots close to the basket, Dirk does some of that but not enough to be considered a center.
Having said that there are exceptions to the rule, the Bulls are a good example.
trade any player for LeBron then allow these two players to play together.
Tim Duncan had accomplished so much things for this team and organization, well-liked in the community, I would like to think Tim Duncan retiring as a Spur and be one of the executives in the future.
Partner with D-Rob that would be awesome. I would not trade Tim for Lebron.
No.
it's just not smart.
Tim is our man, fits into our system and knows what Pop wants inside and out.
Bringing Lebron In we would lose
3 inches
20 lbs.
5.5 RPG
.05 FG% (lebron makes more PPG but Tim is more efficiant)
also the leader ship (immeasurable) that Timmy brings to the team on the court & in the locker room.
We'd gain
.44 TO per game (uhm we're allready bad on TO's we don't need more)
3.5 APG (which is great, but who would he be assisting? we'd need a to pick upa a massive fearless center or a bunch of 3pt pros)
Also James is avging .736 in FT% this year alone... obviously not a fit for the FT challenged Spurs
I think JHames is a great player, phenominal. In line to (cliche alert) be the next Jordan.
BUT - I would not trade Timmy for him.
We'd lose position for the next 2 years as Lebron adjusted to the team. Maybe more considering we'd have to trade and pick up other players to fit specifically around him -just as we now have players that fit specifically arounf Tim.
By the time we were ready to win a Cahmpionship again Lebron would be in the NBA for 6 or 7 years already w/o a ring , his contract would most likely becoming up, and he's want to go to another team.
Not smart. JMHO.
no!!! MAYBE for Kobe but not Lebron.
I bet if the Spurs choke and the Cavs win a ring ?
many of you would edit your posts
LMAO! Maybe the Spurs will choke but there is NO WAY the Cavs win the Championship this year.
duncan > rest of the james ever played in the history of the nba
excuce me..................... WHAT??!!!
From a pure bball perspective, of course you trade Tim for LeBron if anyone would give you that deal. You do it in a heartbeat, and here's why:
-Tim has peaked and is starting to enter the down slope of his career. He only has a couple more years of MVP-level play. The injury problems this year are just a preview. Hey, it happens to the best, it happens to the rest. Deal with it.
-LBJ is a freaking superstar, and he's like 21. With a decent supporting cast and a little luck (because that's always needed too), he'll have several championships before he retires. He's unbelievable.
Tim brought SA its first 3 trophies, and hopefully #4 this year. If you could swap him for LBJ after that, you'd be a fool not to.
From a non-bball perspective, Tim has shown loyalty to the team, he's been a fantastic teammate and employee--I stand second to no one in my admiration for him as a person and SMART NBA player (of which there aren't many).
So the question is do you listen to your head or your heart? I know what I'd do: take the upside.
What are the odds of Cleveland not being able to re-sign LBJ? Are they worried?
Absolutely.
Tim is NOT starting to enter the down slope of his career. TD is in the prime of his career. Other than PF, which is NOT an injury sustained by playing basketball, Tim is very healthy. He lost some weight this summer and looks very nimble on the floor when his PF is not hurting badly. Tim has a good 4-5 years left, at least, at being in the top five active players in the league.
Also, the Spurs are primed to win another championship this year and probably for the next few years. Why would you break up a CHAMPIONSHIP team for an unproven, albeit top player that does not fit your system of play??? It makes no BUSINESS sense, especially if the purpose of the team is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.
If you traded TD NOW for James, you would not be close to winning a championship for a few years because the current team was built AROUND Tim, a PF/C and not a G/F.
IMO
If we traded Timmy, we create more big man problems on our roster short-term. We can rebuild, get new pieces to replace others, sure. But how many seasons of free agency and trades (and at what price trades) would it take to find the right pieces to surround LeBron?
Without Timmy, the only viable trade bait the Spurs have is Manu and Tony. Those who support LeBron due to youth would be hypocritical to trade Tony. So that leaves you with Manu, who is a great, well-respected player- when he is playing full throttle. Methinks some GMs may balk at sending us something big due to the perception that he may be injury prone.
So free agency. Who can the Spurs get? Now, let's be REASONABLE- the Spurs can't pick up someone just because they fit into your fantasy projection. It has to be realisitc under the cap. Who is going to be our PF/C, who we won't overpay and who isn't a doughboy on defense?
So basically, this would throw our team into rebuilding mode. LeBron is talented enough to win us some games- but mehtinks it would be D-Rob era Spurs again. One great talent putting us on his back, and the back can't hold us through May.
The Spurs will have to get younger the next few years, no doubt. But if you want a team with a chance to be contenders, you keep Tim Duncan while you get young. Who better to be a mentor? Who better to show them how to be a quiet, humble leader. Who better to show them what it means to be an MVP?
Even if we traded Duncan, then go Lebron the pieces, they all have to learn the system, which we know takes at least a year. Pop will not retire with LeBron on the roster, I guarantee. Would the city support the Spurs taking 2-3 years worth of steps back for several steps forward later? I can't see it. No offense to my fellow fans, but methinks a lot of them are fair-weathered.
I am not saying I am right, I am just throwing questions out there to those who would do this trade. I also wonder if someone would even start this thread if Timmy was averaging 20/12 this season. But again, I think some of you are fair-weathered and have no real clue how much Timmy means to this team beyond a stat sheet.
I guess we differ on TD's prognosis. As I said, I think he has 2-3 MVP-level years left in the tank, not 4-5. I guess we'll see. I hope I'm wrong, because he's the franchise now and into the future.
Your point about breaking up a championship team is a better one. Trading TD for LBJ would entail some serious rebuilding. But then, this may not be the championship team we love any more... if TD and Manu in particular don't regain their A games soon, I see a Detroit trophy, or maybe even a Dallas WC champion. Tony has been a monster, which I'm LOVING, but I'm getting pretty worried about sub-par outings from Manu. And Tim's hurting.
(Also, Bowen's not getting any younger, Rasho's not getting any better, Nazr's probably gone, Finley's done, Barry is a question mark at best, etc... I mean hey, I love my Spurs, but I'm not penciling in 3 more championships at this point.)
As to how to rebuild the team around LBJ, I admit I haven't given that much thought. And you're right to point out it's not a trivial exercise. But I think with a player of LBJ's talent and youth, I'd be willing to spend a few years putting the pieces together and then watching the trophies roll in 5 or 6 times.
Three points:
(1) Why has no one introduced the topic of defense? Duncan is one of the greatest defensive big men of all time, and still one of the best defensive big men in the league, even if his scoring numbers are down and his rebounding statistics have dipped slightly this year. If "defense wins championships," how can we ignore the defensive contribution we would lose by trading for LeBron?
(2) I can't agree enough with PM5K: championship teams without great big men on the inside are few and far between. The Bulls are one of the very few exceptions. Hence, the odds are against us doing better in the postseason without someone like Duncan, even if we'd gain a more prolific scorer and assist-maker in LeBron.
(3) Perhaps no one wants to hear this, and perhaps it's a different kind of consideration, but here goes. In keeping Duncan until retirement, even when he eventually does decline in ability, we move a step closer to establishing the Spurs as a franchise with a lore, a worthy history, in the way that the Celtics and Lakers have established. We have the opportunity to do this as a small market team, and I for one am in favor of it. If Duncan retires as a Spur, it will be like Bird and Russell retiring as Celtics, for example. In my opinion, there's something about one of the all-time greats spending his entire championship- and MVP-filled career with a single team that just imparts more value and worth to the franchise when you look back at its history. There's also a less selfish side to this coin: Duncan has brought championships to SA, where no one else ever has, ushering in a golden era for Spurs' fans the likes of which most sports fans never experience with respect to their teams. One could thus make the case that we owe him the opportunity to decide to retire a Spur if he wishes.
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