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Why do I suspect that my detractors at mavtalk would also buy into those ideas as well?
Well, I don't know about the latter assertion. You would actually increase scoring (I would think) by calling more touch fouls outside, because you'd discourage defenders from playing aggressively (and within the normalized rules of basketball) for fear that they'd draw fouls. You'd also end up with teams shooting more free throws, which would tend to increase scoring. Of course, the game would be bogged down -- at least until defenders were completely deterred from playing the game -- into free throw shooting contests, but you likely would increase scoring.
What I find remarkable is this: fans complain about the refusal of NBA officials to call that sort of foul, but at any other level of basketball, that sort of contact isn't called, either. Watch the NCAA Tournament games this week -- I'd argue that the amount and degree of contact allowed in an NCAA game far exceeds the amount and degree of contact allowed in a lot of NBA games. The rules at each level regarding contact are relatively similar, so which game is being called incorrectly?
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i would think that bogging a game down like that would decrease fan interest by increasing the amount of time it takes to play the game - a lot of people are turned off by the time out strategy and fouling used at the end of close games already. you are correct about the increase in scoring, i agree fully there. for the most part NBA games flow very well until the last 3-5 minutes, where they can get bogged down.
I don't disagree with you about that as a general concept, though I think over the long haul, if the league called the game as these folks wish it to be called, you'd see more free-flowing offense, less perimeter defense, and higher scores.
I also don't think, though, that my argument relies on the notion that calling touch fouls off-the-ball and away from the basket is a determination made to aid in scoring or increasing fan interest. My point is that regardless of the reasons that support the decision, the NBA has decided that officials should not call contact of the sort that leads to the complaints from Mavs fans. Now, either the league and its officials have decided that interpretation of the rule applies only to Bruce Bowen -- a conclusion which does not appear to be objectively verifiable in the hundreds of hours of NBA basketball I watch each season -- or they apply that construction evenly and fans lack objectivity to see that it is applied that way. I'd say that there are plenty of defensive players (including Mavericks) who push and shove and redirect Manu Ginobili (for instance) during games, but the Spurs aren't in an uproar over the fact that such things aren't called in every instance.
i agree. maybe cubes should propose some sort of bowen corrolary.
what screen names do you guys use at that site?
yeah some fans over on the mavs website will blame the injury to josh howard if they lose to you. (howard's injury will actually sideline him for a while).
himat=tool. I guess losing your second and third best player for the rest of the regular season doesn't hurt the mavs.
I think the officials allow more physical contact without the ball. Look how hard Timmy has to work to get opened. Same thing applies when Bruce fronts Dirk to keep him from getting the ball. Bowen has worked years to improve his defense and gets very very close to offensive players without committing fouls, hence the nickname "the Rash". Most players in the league are going to try and poke, bump and push. It is not exclusive to Bruce. The aggressor is usually rewarded.
Touch fouls are just dumb. It does little to impact play. If the league wants to increase scoring by limiting defense, they are changing the basic fundamentals of basketball. To increase scoring, players need to improve their jump shots and drive more to the basket. IMO
Hey Mavsfan1000, I read that Harris and Howard would only be out for about a week. Has that changed?
no fans on that sight were saying that when howard comes back it will be last in the season, and that if the mavs lose it's because howard isn't in rythm with the team.himat=tool. I guess losing your second and third best player for the rest of the regular season doesn't hurt the mavs.
I have to say, I thought you were arguing that one virtue of the Mavericks was how deep the team was and how well they'll be able to deal with adversity like injuries. Sounds like that tune has changed.I guess losing your second and third best player for the rest of the regular season doesn't hurt the mavs.
Maybe I'm mistaking you for someone else (if so, I apologize in advance), but why is it that the Spurs' injuries are "excuses," while the Mavs' injuries are "reasons?"
i know howard is probably the mavs second best player, but wouldn't terry be the third?
You're kidding, right?
Devin Harris is among the biggest game-changers in the NBA. Mavs fan tells me it's true, so it must be.
And Mavs fan, taking cues from Herr Nowitzki, certainly hasn't shown any reluctance to throw Jason Terry under the bus when it is expedient to do so.
Terry might be the starter but Harris makes more of an impact. Harris though needs to improve his endurance. He is great for 20-25 minutes but after that fatigue sets in. I think he needs to get stronger so he can endure heavier minutes.
i forgot impact players don't close out games.
I forgot you don't know anything about the mavs. Harris is Dallas's best point guard while Terry is Dallas's best outside shooter. To me Harris should be starting over Terry at the 1 or move Terry to the 2.
i think avery is a better judge of these things than you, based on his record through his first 82 games. besides, if harris is only good for 20-25 minutes a game why start him? i watch most mavs games on tv and tune into them on sirius when i get a chance, i must not know very much. i just don't see how harris can be dallas' third best player when he can only hack it for 20 mins a game. i saw dude in college and he could play for 40 mins most of the time...
Well his shooting is good at first but as fatigue sets in he loses that a lot of the time. Yes he can play heavy minutes but won't be as efficient. Plus he is injury prone. Terry and Harris together is what makes Dallas's bench so solid. They get 48 minutes of quality point guard play instead of a scrub for 12 minutes and the starter playing heavy minutes
Actually Avery was going to start(well he did ofr one game) Harris alongside Terry with 1 and 2 respectively, but like you all know he was hurt again so...
Now to compare Terry and Harris...
Harris can penetrate
Terry can not
Harris can pass better
Well Terry.meh
Harris is a better defender(Heck, he is the second best defender on the team next to Howard)
And Terry is only a bit better than Nash(says it all)
Now... Terry is more of a clutch player, a great shooter and a great vocal leader.
Basically Terry is better for the team in psychological ways...and Harris is part of the physicality of the team. So for me I can't rank them whose best in terms of numberical sequence. They both do wonders for the team.
It's a dam shame the Moderators at MavTalk could not uncork thier heads from thier asshats when the Spurs played the Mavericks in the semi finals. They could be a huge website by now with all the link sharing and smack talk, I was told they did not want to be big they like a small group. maybe this year they will relax and add some fiber to thier diets and losen up a bit, I wish they would take the power from Princess she is one lock happy ho
Also they are hogging the best domain name for the mavs. They need vbulletin, better admins, and a better format and skin.
I read JonG's "debate"...and someone actually thinks JonG can take on FWDT and win? For all he thinks he's not a blind homer...he's really nothing but a blind hater. I saw no great basketball knowledge OR debate skills. He does seem to be able to but a coherent sentence together...but that doesn't make him right. It doesn't even make him close to right.
FWDT in a 1st round TKO...
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