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    Fortunately God won't be referencing Google on Judgement Day.
    Right, because Hagee and Dobson will be among the first people saved.

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    Robertson is a total idiot.

    But for once, he isnt that far off, IMO. Of course, Im not a very tolerant person when peeps continue to blow themselves up in crowded areas while citing passages from their chosen faith. Or when they actually have a Democratic election, the overwhelming majority elect a government with a slogan of "Rid the world of Israel".

    Seems to me that this 'minority of violence' isnt really a minority. Convincing the world your a minority is one uva trick.

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    Even if the majority of the people of a certain faith are jerks, it doesn't mean anything about the writings of that faith. Those people can easily be interpreting them badly/for their own agendas.

    I don't condone murder, so there is no justification for terrorism. On the other hand, we should recognize these people consider themselves to be in a guerilla war.

    In the end, there is just NEVER a justification for blowing up innocent people and attacking non-violent civilians, IMO.

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    Even if the majority of the people of a certain faith are jerks, it doesn't mean anything about the writings of that faith. ( ) Those people can easily be interpreting them badly/for their own agendas.

    I don't condone murder, so there is no justification for terrorism. On the other hand, we should recognize these people consider themselves to be in a guerilla war.

    In the end, there is just NEVER a justification for blowing up innocent people and attacking non-violent civilians, IMO.

    Seriously don't go there. THe writings do not help you're case.

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    Hagee's got a good racket going on.

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    Right, because Hagee and Dobson will be among the first people saved.
    There are probably people that I wouldn't think would make it that will and vice-versa. It's better left up to someone to judge that sees deeper into a persons heart than we are able to.

    I don't know anything about Hagee other than that his ministry is in Texas (?)

    But Dobson? C'mon Peabody!

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    Hagee has a lot of things in Texas thanks to his "ministry"...

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    Robertson is a total idiot.

    But for once, he isnt that far off, IMO. Of course, Im not a very tolerant person when peeps continue to blow themselves up in crowded areas while citing passages from their chosen faith. Or when they actually have a Democratic election, the overwhelming majority elect a government with a slogan of "Rid the world of Israel".

    Seems to me that this 'minority of violence' isnt really a minority. Convincing the world your a minority is one uva trick.
    Unfortunately, it may come to the West having to make a huge demonstration of ruthless force, instead of this half-ass nation-building and "oh Christians are just as bad" rationalization that the self-hating idiots make. I'm not going to tolerate those people making us live the way Israel has to live.

    If the radicals want their war, well, maybe they'll get it.

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    Unfortunately, it may come to the West having to make a huge demonstration of ruthless force, instead of this half-ass nation-building and "oh Christians are just as bad" rationalization that the self-hating idiots make. I'm not going to tolerate those people making us live the way Israel has to live.

    If the radicals want their war, well, maybe they'll get it.

    We used huge restraint when we were attacked on 01. Eisenhower and Truman would have have made the region a glass factory.

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    Go ahead and Laugh, funny boy. But try to actually bring it, instead of makng off-hand comments, because you are asking to get emberassed.

    I've studied the Quran/Koran as well as the Bible for myself, not just read quotations from an intolerant Christian website, and I think you are full of it. Its teachings are very similar to Christianity and Judaism, a great majority of the principles are the same. Fear of God, importance of prayer, the reverence and high station of Christ, the importance of the written word of God, grace, heaven, the Oneness of God, practicing all manner of virtues such as humility, tolerance, chas y....I can go on and on.

    Taking a quote out of context like "slay the infidels where ever you find them," is really academic dishonesty. Like I said, there was an extremely dangerous situation they were living in (like 10 to 1 armies chasing them through the desert), and it was a matter of defense. The other teachings on the subject put quotes such as these into perspective.

    Lastly, statments such as "truman would have made the whole region glass" speaks to the difficulty of "wars" such as these. The terrorists were not (definitely) state-sponsored, so the government, much less joe arab is not responsible for them. Bombing the whole country is practically revenge murder of innocents.

    True, much of the middle east wrongly blames the US for its woes, and maybe even hates us. But if you think going in and bombing half of the middle east is going to make the world safer for the U.S., I think you are tragically mistaken-we can't even afford the cost to take over and occupy Iran, much less the rest of them. And all the high-tech bombing and military occupation there sure hasn't endeared us to the locals, which means you get even more people resisting the govement. It is just no-win.

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    Lastly, statments such as "truman would have made the whole region glass" speaks to the difficulty of "wars" such as these. The terrorists were not (definitely) state-sponsored, so the government, much less joe arab is not responsible for them. Bombing the whole country is practically revenge murder of innocents.
    ummm...so what happened on 9/11? 9 of the 11 hijackers were of Saudi dissent. I will not claim to know everything, but after the investigation, it was found that some of those individuals actually gained passports into other country's via using the Saudi Prince's clout. When we first invaded Afghanistan, the prisoners we took were basically laughing at the US's interrogation methods. Then, we brought in the Israeli specialists. Their demeanor changed drastically. Then, on a whim, it is said they had an arab man pose himself as a Saudi diplomat and the prisoner(s) broke into prayer thanking their God that it was a Saudi! They thought they were saved.

    True, much of the middle east wrongly blames the US for its woes, and maybe even hates us. But if you think going in and bombing half of the middle east is going to make the world safer for the U.S., I think you are tragically mistaken-we can't even afford the cost to take over and occupy Iran, much less the rest of them. And all the high-tech bombing and military occupation there sure hasn't endeared us to the locals, which means you get even more people resisting the govement. It is just no-win.
    Iraq is an occupation operation. He was referring to wiping the area of all living things with no more than 4 legs. The dollar amount of the nukes would pale in comparison to the occupation of Iraq.

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    Robertson is a total idiot.

    But for once, he isnt that far off, IMO. Of course, Im not a very tolerant person when peeps continue to blow themselves up in crowded areas while citing passages from their chosen faith. Or when they actually have a Democratic election, the overwhelming majority elect a government with a slogan of "Rid the world of Israel".

    Seems to me that this 'minority of violence' isnt really a minority. Convincing the world your a minority is one uva trick.
    Palestinians hardly comprise anywhere even near a small minority of muslims. (shrugs)

    Should we be surprised if a population of people who have been fighting another population for 50+ years *might* have a *slight* grudge?

    I hardly think that is a condemnation of an entire faith.

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    Go ahead and Laugh, funny boy. But try to actually bring it, instead of makng off-hand comments, because you are asking to get emberassed.

    I've studied the Quran/Koran as well as the Bible for myself, not just read quotations from an intolerant Christian website, and I think you are full of it. Its teachings are very similar to Christianity and Judaism, a great majority of the principles are the same. Fear of God, importance of prayer, the reverence and high station of Christ, the importance of the written word of God, grace, heaven, the Oneness of God, practicing all manner of virtues such as humility, tolerance, chas y....I can go on and on.

    Taking a quote out of context like "slay the infidels where ever you find them," is really academic dishonesty. Like I said, there was an extremely dangerous situation they were living in (like 10 to 1 armies chasing them through the desert), and it was a matter of defense. The other teachings on the subject put quotes such as these into perspective.

    Lastly, statments such as "truman would have made the whole region glass" speaks to the difficulty of "wars" such as these. The terrorists were not (definitely) state-sponsored, so the government, much less joe arab is not responsible for them. Bombing the whole country is practically revenge murder of innocents.

    True, much of the middle east wrongly blames the US for its woes, and maybe even hates us. But if you think going in and bombing half of the middle east is going to make the world safer for the U.S., I think you are tragically mistaken-we can't even afford the cost to take over and occupy Iran, much less the rest of them. And all the high-tech bombing and military occupation there sure hasn't endeared us to the locals, which means you get even more people resisting the govement. It is just no-win.

    Sorry fool, but there are more quotes that further damage the credibility of islam. Some passages which give an "ends justifies the means" in order to further islam. The history of Islamic orgins was not peaceful. Where you had the persecuted church and jesus christ is nowhere near Mohammed, being the pillager and raper of the land.

    Get off your PC horse and pull the wool of your eyes.

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    So why are we expecting any Muslims to create a western-friendly democracy right now?

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    Sorry, but you're wrong. The bible clearly states that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the father except through him. God also said (in the ten commandments) that we should have no other Gods but him. That certainly rules out Buddhism and Hinduism. All other religions are corrupted versions of the true gospel of Christ and are the result of men thinking they know more than God.
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