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    Hahahaaa...

    Riiiiiiiight. I live in ing Michigan (which is a faaaaar cry from any border with Mexico) and I can tell you with certainty that every landscaping business in the area is 70% Latino.

    And those mofos WORK like friggin ANIMALS for $8 an hour. I worked for a now HUGE landscaping company when I was 17. Doing back-breaking work of all sorts, mostly hauling and such. Let me put it this way, if I even tried to keep pace with this 50-ish year old cat named (of course) Miguel, I couldnt.

    When I am being paid, I work for my money. I really, really do(i know, i know, big accomplishment). But not like this guy. The foremen could say "Miguel, run thru that brickwall there until you knock it down" and homeboy would have done it...until the wall was rubble....in under an hour. Just cost the company $16 (with insurance costs) to tear down a wall.

    Another story (again, I live in Michigan). I lived in some apartments that were just above ghetto level. Lived there 1 year (man, it was really fun) knowing I had to get out or I would get to used to the lifestyle. Anyway...

    The apartment across the hall was vacant for a long time. Finally someone moved in (door was open). 5 Mexican dudes just moved in that lived in Texas but were here in Michigan for the season (construction season, summer). Honestly, my prejudice preceded me. I was nervous. I am a skinny dude. I live with my girlfriend, who is hot. These cats were....raw to say the least. One of them named Eddie was obviously the alpha. Loud, drunk, always talking in Spanish. Obvously, I avoided them like the plague.

    But thats where I was stupid. Very stupid. I judged them only on appearance and observing their actions.

    One day, one of the guys that spoke English better than the rest (Nick, which he pronounced like 'Neeck') approached me. He was really cool. He introduced me to the other guys. Real nice guys. I was in my "party-at-all-costs" mode of life and these guys partied really hard. Naturally, we hit it off.

    Wow...was I wrong. They all had families, wives, kids, etc in Mexico and Texas. They drank like alcohol disappeared in 24 hours if it wasnt finished in time. But you better damn well believe, Monday thru Saturday, staying up drinking and partying until 2-3am everyday, they were at work, on time, at 6am the next. Work 14 hours, come home to a ty 2 bedroom apartment with 5 peeps living there, fished catfish out of the streams around town for food (yuck), and did the partying thing all over again.

    Moral...

    At first, they were a threat. 5 guys, all under 30, 3 of them being HUGE. Then, they turned into security. I could leave my girlfriend home alone and know that if anything happened, she could knock on a door less than 5 feet from ours for instant protection.

    Trust me, we never had problems. Those guys scared police away, nonetheless some whacko roaming the area.

    I dont know if this means anything, I just thought it was relevant.
    mexicans are pretty slick.... they were probably banging your old lady and you just didn't know about it! haha.

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    I grew up in Defiance, Ohio and many of my friends worked for a landscaping business and they weren't even illegal. 95% of the crew was hispanic and I knew all of them.

    Protest under the American flag is my take.

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    Here is a little article that I lifted this AM. I have to agree with it.



    When illegal is right, what is wrong?
    By Kathleen Parker

    Mar 29, 2006


    There's nothing like the sight of 500,000 protesters on U.S. turf, demanding rights in Spanish while waving Mexican flags, to stir Americans from their siestas.

    In Los Angeles, the iconic phrase may be "Si se puede," but in Muncie, it's "What the ... ?"

    Suddenly, in the flash of a newscast, polite political debate about guest worker programs visually morphed into what seemed like a full-blown invasion.

    Demonstrations have the desired effect of focusing attention on an idea - and television cameras can tighten that focus so that a slow drip looks like a tsunami. But the same imagery can backfire. I suspect that the sight of so many people demanding rights to which they have no legal claim will not help the cause of illegals in this country, even if it motivates politicians to act, well, politically.

    Let's just say that convincing others of one's desire to become an American citizen would be more effective if one were to do so in English - while waving an American flag. Just imagine how welcome 500,000 bubbas waving American flags and chanting, " no, we won't go," would be in Mexico City.

    Now before I'm accused of being biased against Latinos, let me be clear. Yo quiero a los Latinos. I could go on in Espanol, but when in America, I always say, do as the Americans do. Speak English. Otherwise, I'm over-the-top pro-Latino and pro-immigrant.

    I grew up in Florida with Cubans as my closest friends, and my stepfather is Mexican - a legal immigrant who came to this country at age 16 to attend medical school.

    I am, in other words, an unapologetic Hispanophile.

    But, like a majority of Americans who think Congress should secure our borders, I'm a fan of laws and of those who respect them - even though I occasionally turn right on red when the sign says not to.

    The question of what to do with some 11 million to 20 million illegal immigrants already living and working in this country may be too problematic for mere politicians. The issue is exacerbated by our refusal to speak plain, non-PC English about what's what. Illegal immigrants are not "undo ented workers." They're illegal. And, if we're to use the legal language accurately, they're "aliens."

    Then again, when we talk about illegal aliens, it is useful to remind ourselves that we're also talking about human beings. To see television images of shadows crossing the desert into the U.S. is to see criminals intent on misdeeds rather than poor people, hundreds of whom die each year in the process, trying to find jobs and plenty to eat.

    As we've been told hundreds of times, these people do the work Americans won't do, which is both true and not true. It is true that Americans don't want to work for the low wages that illegal workers gratefully earn, but not necessarily true that no American would do those jobs under any cir stances.

    Steven Camarota, research director for the Center for Immigration Studies (cis.org), says that unemployment figures tell the truer story of how native workers are being crowded out of the market by cheap labor: 11 percent of American construction workers are unemployed, as are 9 percent of workers in food processing and 11 percent in cleaning and maintenance.

    "The least educated Americans are getting hurt," he says.

    Standing around a Washington, D.C., Metro station the other day, I watched a Latino sweeping the tiled floor. He was one of those people you barely notice - an invisible soul, dignified, unobtrusive - but plainly attentive to his job. I don't know if he's here legally, but I do know the floor was spotless. I tried to imagine any other American doing the same job. A college student? Another minority? Is there really an involuntarily unemployed American citizen keeping warm on a street grate because this small brown man is sweeping the floor of an underground tunnel?

    Before I bleed to death or start writing poetry, let me balance this romantic view of the illegal immigrant with another nugget: About 27 percent of all inmates in the federal prison system are criminal aliens, according to government figures. Then again, millions of illegals who are otherwise law-abiding people have lived here for 10-20 years, buying houses, attending parent-teacher meetings and giving birth to native-born Americans.

    Although there seems no simple solution to such a complex issue, two nagging thoughts persist: (1) The right to protest was a gift from America's Founding Fathers to the nation's citizens, ergo, non-citizens should protest in their own countries; and (2) the purpose of the legislative branch of government is to pass laws that serve the best interests of the nation's citizens.

    Which may mean, No se puede.


    Kathleen Parker is a popular syndicated columnist and director of the School of Written Expression at the Buckley School of Public Speaking and Persuasion in Camden, South Carolina.

    Copyright © 2006 Tribune Media Services


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    It would be nice if some in our Congress would just realize a lot of their BS is
    causing more problems than solving problems. Liberals are gonna be Liberals no
    matter what it cost their own country and citizens.

    Another article I lifted follows. Read at your own risk. It wont make some on this
    board very happy.



    Racism gets a whitewash
    By Mic e Malkin

    Mar 29, 2006


    Few things make liberals more uncomfortable than being confronted with the racism of politically correct minorities.

    Two weeks ago, I wrote about Autum Ashante, the precocious 7-year-old black nationalist poet, who said white people are "devils and they should be gone." If this daughter of a Nation of Islam activist father had instead been an Aryan supremacist child of a Klan activist, she'd still be all over the network news and pages of pop culture magazines (as a pair of white nationalist teen pop singers, Lamb and Lynx Gaede, have been since last fall). But with rare exceptions, nobody wanted to touch Autum's spoon-fed hatred with a 10-foot-pole. That would be, you know, "intolerant." We have to "respect diversity."

    Well, this weekend, militant racism from another protected minority group was on full display. But you wouldn't know it from press accounts that whitewashed or buried the protesters' virulent anti-American hatred.

    An estimated 500,000 to 2 million people, untold numbers of them here illegally, took to the streets of Los Angeles to protest strict immigration enforcement and demand blanket amnesty for border violators, visa overstayers, deportation fugitives, immigration do ent fraud artists and other lawbreakers. Mexican flags and signs advocating ethnic separatism and supremacy filled the landscape. Demonstrators gleefully defaced posters of President Bush and urged supporters to "Stop the Nazis!" Los Angeles talk show host Tammy Bruce reported that protesters burned American flags and waved placards of the North American continent with America crossed out.

    Bet you didn't see that on television.

    One of the largest, boldest banners visible from aerial shots of the rally read: "THIS IS STOLEN LAND." Others blared: "CHICANO POWER" and "BROWN IS BEAUTIFUL." (Can you imagine the uproar if someone had come to the rally holding up a sign reading "WHITE IS BEAUTIFUL"?) Thugs with masked faces flashed gang signs on the steps of L.A.'s City Hall. Students walked out of classrooms all across Southern California chanting, "Latinos, stand up!" Young people raised their fists in defiance, clothed in T-shirts bearing radical leftist guerrilla Che Guevara's face and Aztlan emblems.

    Aztlan is a long-held notion among Mexico's intellectual elite and political class, which asserts that the American Southwest rightly belongs to Mexico. Advocates believe the reclamation (or reconquista) of Aztlan will occur through sheer demographic force. If the rallies across the country are any indication, reconquista is already complete.

    Lest you think these ideas are moldy-oldy 1960s leftovers that no one subscribes to today, listen to Sandra Molina, 16, a junior from L.A.'s Downtown Magnet High School, who complained to the supportive Los Angeles Times: "This is unjust. This land used to belong to us and now they're trying to kick us out."

    Nor are these sovereignty-obliterating grievances confined to the wacky West Coast. In Milwaukee, Wis., marchers carried signs that read: "If you think I'm 'illegal' because I'm a Mexican[,] learn the true history because I'm in my HOMELAND."

    Open-borders sympathizers in the press strained to look the other way. As Slate writer Mickey Kaus, who attended the L.A. demonstration, noted, the Los Angeles Times buried any mention of the presence of Mexican flags in its initial "propagandistic" report -- and then eliminated any reference to them at all. Cracks Kaus: "I used to write this sort of press-releasey 'news' account when my college paper assigned me to 'cover' anti-war demonstrations that I'd helped organize! . . . The Times' effort is filled with representative quotes from participants, without a note of dissent."

    Apologists are quick to argue that Latino supremacists are just a small fringe faction of the pro-illegal immigration movement (never mind that their ranks include former and current Hispanic politicians from L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa to former California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Cruz Bustamante).

    But you'll never hear or read such forgiving caveats in the mainstream press's hostile coverage of the pro-immigration enforcement members of the Minutemen Project -- who are universally smeared as racists. For what? For peacefully demanding that our government enforce its laws and secure its borders.

    Yes, borders. Last time I checked a map of North America, they still do exist.

    Unless we give in and let the bullies and their appeasers whitewash those out of existence, too.



    Mic e Malkin is a syndicated columnist and maintains her weblog at mic emalkin.com. She has also authored books such as Unhinged and In Defense of Internment.




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    I loved the picture in this morning E-N where the Dallas school buses were
    taking the students back to classes after demonstrating for the Illegals. Flying
    the Mexican flag no less out the school bus window. What a screwed up
    country that we have created.

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    mexicans are pretty slick.... they were probably banging your old lady and you just didn't know about it! haha.

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    ...why does no one want to comment on the Mexicans showing
    their colors and burning ours. Come on Libs, show your true colors
    the U.S. is always wrong.

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    Well, if we were serious about rounding these guys up and deporting them, we missed a golden opportunity to get most of them at once.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    I thought of that, just build a fence in downtown LA and sort them
    out. But, no one has the guts to do that. You know, like, enforce
    the law on "Illegal Aliens". Now you can go into a bar and arrest
    drunks. TABC says that's okay, but don't dare enforce the immigration
    laws.

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    I thought of that, just build a fence in downtown LA and sort them
    out. But, no one has the guts to do that. You know, like, enforce
    the law on "Illegal Aliens". Now you can go into a bar and arrest
    drunks. TABC says that's okay, but don't dare enforce the immigration
    laws.

    you propose arresting everyone and releasing them if they aren't illegal aliens? Then we can bust down every door, search every house for illegal stuff, and arrest evreyone doing anything bad. Sounds like you would enjoy living in Cuba. Good luck with that.

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    Cuba... Miami... wtf is the difference?

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    Now you can go into a bar and arrest
    drunks. TABC says that's okay
    "How I spent last weekend" by xray.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    you propose arresting everyone and releasing them if they aren't illegal aliens? Then we can bust down every door, search every house for illegal stuff, and arrest evreyone doing anything bad. Sounds like you would enjoy living in Cuba. Good luck with that.
    You seriously think something like that hasn't happened in
    the U.S. But no, I don't propose that happening. But it would
    be nice if you read the article's I posted and see how many
    criminal elements have come into the country with illegal
    aliens. And I don't like the flag and my country put down,
    they want to be here but not a part of what they want. Now
    you reconcile that for me.

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    You seriously think something like that hasn't happened in
    the U.S. But no, I don't propose that happening. But it would
    be nice if you read the article's I posted and see how many
    criminal elements have come into the country with illegal
    aliens. And I don't like the flag and my country put down,
    they want to be here but not a part of what they want. Now
    you reconcile that for me.
    MYOB. That's the solution.

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    I don't speak acronyms! Are you trying say bring you own bottle.

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    I don't speak acronyms! Are you trying say bring you own bottle.

    MYOB=Mind Your Own Business

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    Immigration policy protestors needed to keep their eyes on the ball...


    The right-wing latched on to these photos and is now using them as if they represent the entire movement. Wing-nuts are pushing to email these photos to every national news outlet, & Mic e Malkin is giving them prominent place in order to inflame anti-immigrant sentiment. They know the power of imagery - I've seen people talk about "raising the Mexican flag over the US flag" in reference to protests in PHOENIX. It's not about facts, it's about imagery. Why didn't the OP include where he found those pictures, or that the protest in fact was by a small group of high-school US citizens? Because that dilutes the imagery & that dilutes the anger.
    Last edited by Nbadan; 03-29-2006 at 06:29 PM.

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    Chicanos

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    Simon vato!

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    Oh, it. I don't even care anymore. There are enough idiots like Xray who have zero ing clue yet get a vote in our society that I've pretty much come to the conclusion it all doesn't matter.

    Viva Los Estupidos!

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    You are full of it. We don't need them. Mexico needs us. That is a fact.
    Get your head out of where the sun doesn't shine. You gotta have have
    some kinda warped outlook on life.
    Where is your compassion for others? "Love your neighbor as thyself"....

    'Warped outlook' is the fact that the world needs borders to economically alienate one group from others... and that everyone has embraced that concept as normality. That is why a system of free-enterprise socialism (as paradoxical as that may sound) can never exist, because borders always will.

    Now don't get me wrong, the status quo is what it is... but how sad is it, that for years we labored to tear down the wall that separated East and West Germany only for many in this country to desire one in their own back yard.

    The problem is too complicated to solve... but don't fool yourself, racism is still a major influence in shaping peoples' immigration views.

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    As long as there is economic parity between the us and mexico, nothing will keep the immigrants out. Not felonies, not physical barriers, and not ignorant wannabe rich people.

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    Cuba... Miami... wtf is the difference?
    Yep, no difference there. Both are full of Cubans, right?

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    You take my offensive offhand remarks way too seriously.

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    You take my offensive offhand remarks way too seriously.
    I guess I do.

    Question to other posters: Am I the only one who, when reading quickly Sec24Row7, reads instead "scarecrow"?

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    oddly enough, I do as well.

    never bothered to mention it though.

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    Immigration policy protestors needed to keep their eyes on the ball...


    The right-wing latched on to these photos and is now using them as if they represent the entire movement. Wing-nuts are pushing to email these photos to every national news outlet, & Mic e Malkin is giving them prominent place in order to inflame anti-immigrant sentiment. They know the power of imagery - I've seen people talk about "raising the Mexican flag over the US flag" in reference to protests in PHOENIX. It's not about facts, it's about imagery. Why didn't the OP include where he found those pictures, or that the protest in fact was by a small group of high-school US citizens? Because that dilutes the imagery & that dilutes the anger.
    Har, conservatives take something out of context and get "outraged" by something?

    Never happen.

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