Immigration

[RandomGuy]

For the myth that "immigrants milk the system"

Bull puckey. There have been some pretty solid studies that have given support to the fact that the vast majority of immigrants don't collect welfare or any other government support.

People at risk of deportation don't like the en y that would deport them to know where they are or draw attention to themselves.

The best way to curb illegal immigration is something I heard Robert Reich talk about on the radio:

Enforce minimum wage and safety laws.

If the low-wage, dangerous jobs that these immigrants are literally dying to come here for aren't there, you have cut off demand at the source.

Not too hard.

Of course this would be enourmously unpopular with the business interests that control our government. It would also force us to actually pay (gasp) higher prices for things like food and construction.

This is my never-to-be-realized dream. Too bad it would actually solve a host of problems.

[RandomGuy]

Illegal immigrants pay rent, buy groceries, buy cars, shop at walmart, and do a host of other things in our economy.

Yes, they even commit crimes and do bad things.

BUT

Immigrant populations in the US and otherwise tend to be more productive and take about 3 generations to "catch up" economically with the rest of the country. The current wave of immigrants, legal and otherwise will be no different.

I can only shake my head at the do-nothing reforms that are being considered and will likely pass. They will satisfy both sides but will not change the status quo.

In time the current wave of immigrants will assimilate just as the past waves have, and the U.S. economy will be better off in the long run for it.

[gtownspur]

I dont need to read the vile imagery you posted on this thread.

I could give a if you agree with me.

you then, stick it up your ass. blow me.

[gtownspur]

No, I said in the club you're the only poster in this entire spurstalk forum that I truely hate and despise, and I told that to someone who said I hated them. They were wrong. If you're faux-freckles are gonna fall off your face cuz of that, then go for it, but you're acting like this is high school.

At least I try to be funny when I mention how much I detest you. Like when I first called you gculo. That's funny. And others agreed.

But when you spew like you did on page 1, people tell you to take it elsewhere. Cuz you're not funny.

It's funny that you even hate me.. I can't hate you, in perspective, you're just a brick on the wall to me.Even funnier that you need others approval to make you feel like you're wanted. It's a forum, and i could care less about making freinds with spineless punks like Suc247row, who feel like the way to get accepted in here is to tell me what to do. Look dude, i'm not gonna reverse all the hate and anguish I've caused you.

Fact is, you spewed some hateful about handjobing, and you deserve to get the same back at you. If people like Suck247row want to defend you and come off as high and mighty, then they and you can go teabag your dogs.

[smeagol]

Why don't you the say the same when others do like wise like for instance, the person my post was reffering too?

S bag.

I asked you a question which I hoped was not that hard to answer. What's your age. By the quality of your posts, I'd say not more than 21.

[Sec24Row7]

This message is hidden because gtownspur is on your ignore list.

[mookie2001]

all of yall with gtown on ingnore-- take him off
youre missing a vulgar display of historic neocon status and unmeasured, previously implausable ownage

[JoeChalupa]

I don't ignore anyone up in here.
My grandparents came here to work and they had green cards which I have as memory of their struggle for my sake.
Protest under the American Flag is my take. I'm proud of my Heritage but I am an American first.

[JoeChalupa]

Many immigrants have left their native lands to come to America and this goes way back.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok, lets end this myth once and for all because I'm tired of seeing it said.

ILLEGALS PAY MOTHER ING TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OF YOU OTHER ERS.

The vast majority have deductions taken out of their checks just like the rest of you.

[word]

Well, Socal and Texas can't really be compared in this situation. The hispanic 'culture' while hard working, doesn't appear to value the things we need to compete. By and large, they don't value education, which is a huge minus. 1/2 of LA county is illiterate, for example.

China has University educated engineers working in factories being paid less than your average busboy in San Antonio.

What scares me about immigration from Latin America is not what they do or value, I think most of 'em are hard working good people, but what they DON'T value. Education being number one.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Ok, lets end this myth once and for all because I'm tired of seeing it said.

ILLEGALS PAY MOTHER ING TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OF YOU OTHER ERS.

The vast majority have deductions taken out of their checks just like the rest of you.

Except when they're paid "under the table."

[xrayzebra]

Except when they're paid "under the table."

Which is often and on a regular basis. They also
use many social services which come out of taxes
paid by everyone. Like their children who are
borned in this country and wives, or husbands, who
they marry and are US citizens.

[word]

Tax the money orders to Mexico and a huge problem has been solved.

BTW

[nkdlunch]

! ^ that's a good idea. we should also put major taxes on tortillas and salsas... and beans of course

[word]

All money orders sent to Mexico and central america should be taxed 10%. Period.

[MannyIsGod]

Except when they're paid "under the table."

I'd wager big money that the amount of American citizens who get paid under the table far exceeds the number of illegals being paid the same way.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'd wager big money that the amount of American citizens who get paid under the table far exceeds the number of illegals being paid the same way.

you shop at wal-mart, you don't have big money.

[word]

It is sad that these protestors do not understand the gravity, and negative image, it casts upon them to fly the flag of another country. They do their cause a great deal of harm, and certainly it does not foster sympathy for them.

I lived in SA my entire life until last August. Now I'm in a rural area of Pennsylvania; about 97% Anglo. These people have never much talked about latinos, and are fascinated when I talk about Mexican food, or the fact that I was literally in the minority in S. Texas; they really have no clue.

However, now, with the scenes they are witnessing on TV, they certainly have opinions. (those opinions are not positive ones)

I suppose the 'taking jobs americans don't want' doesn't fly. I've lived in areas that are in the 90% white as well. The trash was still picked up, there were cooks and busboys ..whatever....all done by white people.

In fact, the first time my parents came to see me in Minneapolis back in the late 80's my mother was shocked that the cooks were white...the people who picked up the trash...were white.

I told her, " , everyone is white up here."

This idea that immigrants from mexico are taking jobs that 'americans' wouldn't do is nonsense.

Tell ya' who is taking this issue more serious than white people and why immigration is gonna be clamped down on and that is that..

black people.

By and large, in the south, that's who's jobs illegal immigration is ing with.

This isn't a white/brown thing. It's a black/brown thing.

80% of black peoples roots in the US go back further than most white people.

[DarkReign]

80% of black peoples roots in the US go back further than most white people.

That is the truth.

[Sec24Row7]

Ok, lets end this myth once and for all because I'm tired of seeing it said.

ILLEGALS PAY MOTHER ING TAXES JUST LIKE ANY OF YOU OTHER ERS.

The vast majority have deductions taken out of their checks just like the rest of you.

Most of them wish that they could actually get a check and file a tax form instead of getting paid in cash. Now... let's not pat them on the back for wanting to be good citizens just yet. The reason they would love to file their taxes is because they would get almost all of it refunded because of # of dependants/income level etc.

[Sec24Row7]

That is the truth.

yeah because of the ban on importation of new slaves that took effect in 1800 most have been here a long time... the big westward land rush and other immigration es are when a lot of whites got here...

Not me though

[spurster]

It's easy to stop illegal immigration. You just need to levy big penalties on the businesses and people who hire them.

There will be lots of talk, but no one is going to shut off the cheap labor.

[bull62400]

i heard from somewhere that 4,000 illegals come to this country everyday. I know we should help the poor and give to the needy. Thats not wrong. I'm against the humanitarian part of the bill. However, if u help them with the means to help them find work illegally then i agree that it should be a crime. Plus, America does not have a shortage of workers, if we allow illegal aliens to work and as Bush proposed to give 4 year cards that can be renewed to work in the USA and still not be a U.S. citizen, I think we will not only have more problems w/ illegals, but also unemployment will go up even more. If 4,000 ilegal aliens per day cross and find work, If we help them find work, i wonder how unemployment will be in the next 10 years esp. if Bush were to propose this "4 year card" thingy. Also, I understand that a family is poor and wants to advance in America and dont have the means in Mexico, but i dont think we should be blaming the USA for this problem. We should put our citizens first. If people from Mexico are extremely poor then that is Mexico's problem, not ours. The fact that the social classes in mexico are far apart does not mean we (US) should we responsible in helping these people find work, working illegally, and elevating our unemployment. I know it sux for people who want to cross the border, but we as a nation need to worry about the long-term. i dont think the future will be very bright if we allow illegals to work in america.

[word]

My sister is the keeper of the family tree, I'm not up on all of it. I know the direct bloodline on my dads side and the family name, came from Cork, Ireland in 1856 and landed in Bangor, Maine then settled in California, where my dad was born, then to Texas.

Moms side goes back to the American Revolution. Mom and sister are both DAR members.

Family history, geneology, the study of America, who we are, is fascinating stuff.

I have my grandfathers dress blues from WWI in pristine condition as well as a photo of him in that uniform in 1917.

People were midgets back then, btw.