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I said "Son/granson/great grandson (an so on)" of an immigrant, which I believe is a true statement.
Not that it adds much to the discussion at hand . . .
Dunno... I'm a lot further removed from immigration than that...
Both my mother and father's side of the family had people fighting in the Revolutionary war.
But yeah, somewhere down the line My ancestors were on a boat.
So?
That doesnt make me an immigrant.
I said "Son/granson/great grandson (an so on)" of an immigrant, which I believe is a true statement.
Not that it adds much to the discussion at hand . . .
April 10, 2006, This Monday, Nationwide March
including San Antonio and some 63 different cities across the country.
Will you be there?
http://www.cccaction.org/cccaction/april10_index.html
City: San Antonio
Date: 4/10
Time: 5:00PM
Location: Milam Park
Event Details: TBD
Contact Name: Elisa Gonzalez and Claudia Sanchez
Contact Phone: 210-602-1533 (Elisa) or 210-355-4050 (Claudia)
Contact Email: [email protected] (Elisa) or [email protected] (Claudia)
Event Flyer (English)
City: San Antonio
Date: 4/10
Time: 12:00PM walkout, 2:00PM student rally
Location: Campus of the University of Texas-San Antonio - walkout, Milam Park - student rally
Event Details: Student walkout and rally
Contact Name: Bonita, Cristina, Beth, Veronica - Siempre United
Contact Phone:210-269-5595 (Bonita), 210-391-0962 (Cristina), 210-391-0962 (Beth), 210-625-0994 (Veronica)
Contact Email: [email protected]
I said "Son/granson/great grandson (an so on)" of an immigrant, which I believe is a true statement.
Not that it adds much to the discussion at hand . . .
Well of course... you havent called ME an immigrant. That's the argument, and what "these people" don't understand.
That Is OUR point. You wouldn't be here if it weren't for Those immigrants.
But you know this already.
No, YOUR point was that I am an immigrant.
That the people who FRAMED the cons ution were immigrants.
I'm not and they weren't.
Right, so if they never came over here in the 1st place, you would still have been born here.
I get it now.
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April 10 Mobilization for Immigrant Justice
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Congress should pass real, immigration reform that:
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4) unites families
5) ensures workplace and civil rights protections for everyone
We are opposed to immigration legislation that rejects real solutions in favor of unworkable and immoral rhetoric. Proposals such as arresting and deporting 11 million men, women and children to nations all over the world is simply unworkable and runs counter to the American values we cherish.
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I never said that.
When did I ever say that?
You have completely changed gears 5 times in this thread.
ZzzzzzzzZzzzzzzZzzzzz...
*yawn*
I haven't changed anything. You understood my point from the beginning. That almost everyone here are immigrants in the sense that almost everyone's ancestors were Not originally from here, therefore You wouldn't be here Now. In that sense, you Are an immigrant in This country whether you want to admit that or not.
But you wanted to use political tactics and argue over technical crap of what "immigrant" means, and that although your ancestors may have once been immigrants (even though you wanted to dance around that, by the way), that the people who wrote the cons ution were not immigrants because this and that, and a bunch of baloney.
You understood the point. Immigrants love this country and want the same opportunity as Americans to live here and support their families here, as Your immigrant ancestors have allowed you to do. You would Not be here if it weren't for Your immigrant acestors.
Again, your jibberish is just that, jibberish hate, and you understood what I was talking about.
Now if You believe that; "Yea, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for my immigrant ancestors, but since these people are "mojados", I feel differently about it.", then be man enough to say it.
No I did not understand the "sense" of what you were trying to say.
If you want to say that everyone that lives here is a descendant of an immigrant, or an immigrant themself(if they actually PERSONALLY came here from somewhere else) that is a perfectly reasonable statement.
What you were saying was not.
As far as the Mojado thing, Nobody can blame anyone for trying to get to a better situation, but the fact remains that we have LAWS and they are being broken.
I have sympathy for their plight, but im not gonna shed a tear if we ship their ass back.
As far as OTM's go, "Other than Mexican" they really scare me.
Really, everyone should be pissed off at Mexico for the conditions that these people are fleeing instead of being pissed off at the people trying to stop illegals from coming.
there are clear and concise terms for obtaining Citizenship, it is done every day. Sure, it takes time, but everything does. You guys are not protesting Anti-Immigration laws, you are being active in supporting illegal immigration. There is a difference, these people break the laws when they trespass on the United States. They may be coming here for a better life, but they are reducing the opportunity for your fellow AMERICANS and strangling our economy by sending the money they obtain back to their home country, whether it be Mexico, Turkey, China or wherever they come from.
It's great you have a love for your heritage, but you are singling out and forcing the issue that we are being oppressive and racist towards the Hispanic culture/race. In reality, if you'd shut the up about race and would bust your ass and QUIT bring up race, it will dissapear. But people bring it up all the time ... didn't get a job? OMG IT'S CAUSE I'M HISPANIC. Didn't get the apartment? IT'S BECAUSE I'M BLACK.
You do know that in Texas, Caucasian's are no longer the majority? Remember the big deal with the census last year? Or did you skip that little tidbit of information. My ancestors that came from Ireland were brought into endentured servitude (i.e. selling oneself into slavery for years until debt is paid) because of a famine. I don't show my flag around, and I don't do various other things because I realize that people really don't give a . I don't care that you're Hispanic, African or Russian or whatever. To me, you're an American. Have pride in your country and show the US flag, not the place you're running from because they can't provide you a decent life. SA210, enlighten yourself on the you're posting.
IMO, if you support illegal immigration (which you are), you support rapists, murderers, drug users/dealers and anyone else who breaks the law.
They want their family here too. There are many tests they need to pass to become Americans and they have to know things that Not even Americans know, to obtain citizenship. It's not as easy as you are making it seem.
And the amount of years that it takes is ridiculous considering They are starving Now. Are they going to wait 20 years for Mexico to improve, or wait several years before they legally obtain US citizenship before they feed their family? Of course not, and you would feel the same if your family was in that position.
SecRow is the one who used the racial slurs " " and "mojado". I think you should watch who you tell to shut the up and maybe You need to try and understand the REAL issues here. I'm not calling names here and telling people to shut up. You guys get childish pretty quick.
In what way, shape or form does that prove that there is Not racism or discrimination against minorities?
This is a great misconception. I can understand the arguement against, about waving the Mexican flag, but people need to understand why Many of them are doing that. Of course there are some that get a little wild, but most are doing it to show support for their people who you all want to stop from coming here and wanting to throw them back to Mexico.
Most are Not doing it out of disrespect to the U.S., they want to live here.
It may seem stupid to you and many, and it may even seem stupid to many latinos here, but we have to understand that it has More to do with them supporting the Mexican immigrants who are Not wanted. That's what the flags are for, whether it's a good choice or not to wave them, that's why they are doing that. So, please stop with this nonsense already, and try and understand what They really mean by it.
Obviously, You are the one that needs to enlighten Yourself on what You post.
This is so ridiculous and really not worth my time, but how can anyone take you seriously with a comment like that? These people are humans. Being human and wanting to feed your family is Not illegal. Raping, murdering, drug using/dealing Is.
Where is the compassion from you guys? Really. Until You and people like You stop the hate and don't want Human unity and have compassion for people who want to feed their families Now, when They need it, then there will continue to be these tensions, whether it be racial or not.
Last edited by SA210; 04-07-2006 at 01:41 PM.
SA210 doing her normal thing. Talking in circles, knowing not what in the
world she is talking about.
Go do your little demonstration on your birthday, along with the rest of the
group, used to be the communist that demonstrated on May day, but you
wouldn't like it if I compared it to that, although most of the organizers are
more than likely socialist, as you are. Now you can accuse me of calling you
names. By the way every heard of the little war we had with Mexico in the
not distant past? The US went all the way the Monterrey, but we gave that
land back. All the other land we won during our war of (Texas) independence,
fair and square. You want to be part of Mexico, just head about 145 miles
south, either on US90 or I-35. Every person who comes to this country
legally is welcome, all that come ilegally can go back home, Mexico or any
other nationality. To hear you, you would think that all of them came from
Mexico, they haven't! But how the would you know, you spend most of
your time under a bridge.
Xray on one of his little selfish rants.
Hey, Xray, You said you want Your country back.
I read in the other thread that You might be Native American, is that true?
No way.
The only person making sense in this thread is Scott. Although Eriks' notion to go to outback was quite sensible as well.
Thanks for your approval.
Look, I'm for a bill that fixes the border AND provides amnesty to the people here because of the economic reality of things, but don't expect me to sit here and say that your approach makes any sense.
Me being of hispanic immigrant herritage does not mean I go blindy along with everything "la raza" says I should.
I'll post this in the Club thread as well.
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And what is my approach Manny?
That I want them to be able to come here and have the same opportunities that we all have? That this country is made up of immigrants? That I'm not blind to the obstacles of obtaining citizenship when these families are hungry right Now? That I'm responding to people trashing the march?
I see your point and Thanks.
That you fall back on approaches that somehow the history of the country makes illegal immigration any less legal. Or that somehow that there are impoverished people to our south somehow negates our right (and desprate NEED) for border security. That approach.
F
Look, I'm out for a cause that I'm very passionate about. You should be too. You are missing the point as well. It's not to say illegal is legal.
It's to show the hypocricy in what people are saying and our history. It does alot of good for You to come in here and claim that I am Not making sense on This board. That is EXACTLY why "La Raza" is so stagnant and why it has been for years, because We can never stand TOGETHER on Anything as Martin Luther King Jr. did with the African American community, to peacefully protest that we be EQUALLY treated.
This is a START for it, NOW, and You come in here and continue the reasons why our race is where it is? There's some sense for you.
Good job brother. Good job.
I'll be at the march.
Cheech
Took a walk to the corner store
Just to buy a loaf of bread and a box of s`mores
Up pulled a guy in a yellow van
Shiny gold badge flashing in his hand
(Chong
He said, alright all you mojados down here
I want you all to hit the floor
I got one thing to ask you and nothing more
So answer in English, if you can
Where were ya born, man
(Cheech
Huh? Where was I born?
(Chong
That`s right, I said
Where were ya born?
(Cheech
Hey, are you one of those dudes who do horoscopes, man
Hey, I`m a Cancer with a bad moon rising
(Chong
Look here el o, watch my lips
Where were ya born?
(Cheech
I was BORN IN EAST L.A.
Man, I was BORN IN EAST L.A.
(Chong
Oh yeah, you were BORN IN EAST L.A.
Let`s see your green card
(Cheech
Huh? Green card?
I`m from East LA
(Chong
Alright, then who`s President of the United States
(Cheech
Oh, that`s easy, man
That guy that used to be on Death Valley Days, John Wayne
(Chong
Alright, let`s go, come on
(Cheech
Next thing I know, I`m in a foreign land
People talkin so fast, I couldn`t understand
There was nobody there to lend a helping hand
I was cold, it was dark where is a burger stand
I want to go back to East LA
I wish I was back in East LA
I don`t belong here in downtown T.J.
Cause I was born in East LA, ole
I crawled under barbed wire, swam across a stream
Rode in six different trucks packed like a sardine
Walked all day in the burning sun
Now I know what it`s like to be born to run
Up ahead was the promised land
Shining like a star just beyond my hand
All I could see was a golden door
I looked up, a sign said five billion sold
And I was back in East LA
Yes, I was back in East LA
You know I`m never gonna stray
Cause I was born in East LA, oh LA
(adlibs with I'm a low rider rocker in East LA, oh LA)
EAST LA!!!
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