So the game a couple weeks ago where the Spurs totally dominated them with Horry there means nothing now, because , well, you armchair quarterbacks say so.
So you're saying that Horry being gone is the excuse for losing last night??So the game a couple weeks ago where the Spurs totally dominated them with Horry there means nothing now, because , well, you armchair quarterbacks say so.
Yet a Mavs fan that so much as hinted at the Mavs struggles the past 5 weeks being due to having up to 4 players (including 2 starters) out was getting thrashed around here...
Last edited by LEONARD; 04-08-2006 at 02:45 PM.
Haha, he must have been listening to Tom Tolbert's stupid comment about Horry. Funny because it was all about Bowen defending Dirk and how Dirk chokes in the big games. Now it's not Bowen but Horry that the Spurs needed...keep pulling for excuses. I'm not here to bash the Spurs but when fans come up with stupid excuses it's annoying. I hate it when fans blame officiating/injuries for losses...all teams go through it, deal!
So since the spurs lost they took the mavs lightly?The mavs were just on fire and played some inspired basketball. When they play like that they are almost impossible to beat.
Haha, he must have been listening to Tom Tolbert's stupid comment about Horry. Funny because it was all about Bowen defending Dirk and how Dirk chokes in the big games. Now it's not Bowen but Horry that the Spurs needed...keep pulling for excuses. I'm not here to bash the Spurs but when fans come up with stupid excuses it's annoying. I hate it when fans blame officiating/injuries for losses...all teams go through it, deal!
So your saying,
Horry leaving at the last minute, had no effect on the team??
You get the over it.
Facts is facts.
Horry a guy that will guard Nowitzki, allowing Duncan to guard the rim.
Sorry that FACTS get in your way.
I don't think anyone is using Horrys absence as an excuse. Simply pointing out some of the things that Big Shot Bob brings to the court.
Would the Spurs have won if he played? Who knows. It's simply a "what if" game that gets played all the time.
Bottom line is....Mavs played a better game than the Spurs did last night. They overcame the outrebounding and assists deficits by shooting a better FG% and won.
The question still remains can they do it 4 times in a seven game series.
Oberto played very well in place of Horry. You get the over it.
And it's a FACT that the Mavs have been severely depleted the last 5 weeks, missing 2 starters, even starting a CBA player for 7 or 8 games, but that was an "excuse"...right?
Sorry that FACTS get in your way...
spurs got outplayed and lost. horry could have made a huge difference in the 3rd and 4th quarters, but he wasn't there so it's pointless to talk about it. it was nice to see them hustle and at least put out an effort and keep it close, but the shots just weren't falling at the right moments. next game
yea, some props. Diop defended Timmy VERY well, and their zone defense kept Parker out of the lane. The only time Parker was really able to penetrate was on the fast break. They had a VERY good defensive answer for him.
At least you got my point. There are so many "what ifs" that you can only go by what happened last night with the guys on the court. Had Tony Parker been his usual self (what is his deal these last two games?) then we could've been doing the *what if* with Devin Harris. And for the dude who originally responded to me, GOI, Horry averages less than 19 minutes per game and all that extra weight he put on wouldn't have helped him guard Dirk. He would've helped but he certainly wasn't your X factor, otherwise there would've been all these threads about him BEFORE the game.
but those 2 starters still out don't have the name that a ROBERT HORRY brings to the table...although it would've been SWeeT to see devin play against parkerAnd it's a FACT that the Mavs have been severely depleted the last 5 weeks, missing 2 starters, even starting a CBA player for 7 or 8 games, but that was an "excuse"...right?
Sorry that FACTS get in your way...
I am a Mavs fan and while I do think it was crappy of Tolbert to bring up Horry at the end of the game and act like Dirk wouldn't have scored if Horry wasn't there. He might even be right but I didn't like him saying it then. It made Tolbert sound really biased and like he was disrespecting Dirk.
But having said all that.. I think beating the Spurs without Horry is like beating the Pistons without Rasheed. Maybe even more significant than the Pistons without Sheed. Horry will do absolutely anything to win... especailly guarding a white guy like Dirk. Horry seems to get really chippy when playing Dirk.. Horry plays extremely dirty in general. But when it is against Dirk it goes to a different level.. and he plays like he is 10 years younger. But I think Horry would kill Dirk before he let a white guy beat them in the playoffs. It may sound strange.. but in my experience watching Horry over the years that is what I expect to happen if we meet in the playoffs.
I'd say ask a Piston fan what Horry's name brings to the table ... but I'm not that mean.
Omg Horry is not even close to the spurs what Rasheed is the Pistons. Wow is Horry getting overrated. He is a solid bench player but he is not in Rasheed's league.
i guess rings that span between both hands doesn't meet up to "rasheed's league"
if you're up three on the spurs with less than 10 seconds left who are you gonna make sure not to leave?
Rasheed>>>Horry anyday of the week. A couple clutch shots does not make Horry the player Rasheed is. Rasheed is a better defender, better post player, and a better rebounder.
i wasn't saying that horry is a better player overall. i was saying that horry is far more dangerous at the end of a game. it isn't just a couple clutch shots either, he makes all sorts of clutch plays, defensively and offensively. any day of the week sheed is a better player, but horry is way better in the last 5 mins of a game.
Rasheed makes clutch shots as well. I've seen him hit those. Horry gets forgotten on defense and he makes teams pay for it. Rasheed does the same thing if you forget about him.
This is my "what if":Fact is, that Oberto having the great game he played, keeping SA in the game in the first half wouldn't have been there if Horry was to play. Spurs fans act like Horry has saved them from every single game, that he means so much! For those saying that Horry would have owned or guarded better Dirk, what happened to Bowen? I thought he was the one who owned Dirk...
Dirk never gets shut down by Horry. It was Bowen that did it before. Duncan is even worse on guarding Dirk. For being rated as such a good defender Duncan sure has problems with Dirk.
your last sentence is asinine. duncan is a great defender, but he is out of place on the perimeter, and he has little to none of the lateral movement/quickness he did before getting pf. dirk can shoot over anyone, you surely know that.
Yeah, Dirk just passes him like a Pg on a center...(Timmy's injury may be included, but thats what Dirk does to every Legit PF put on him, thats why they put smaller defenders on him)
Yeah if he isn't forced on the perimeter. I think he is a better help defender than an individual defender. I've seen Rasheed post him up as well so he gets beat both ways.
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