Rasho's minutes

[Slinkyman]

Pop stated why Beno started-- to rest a sick Tony and to give Beno experience against Banks. He never said he needed to rest Nazr, especially given that Nazr barely played the previous game.

You explain to me why Rasho is playing more and more as the play-offs get closer and Nazr is playing less and less. It is not just about Rahso's increased minutes- but Nazr's DECREASED playing time. You can't say that last night was a regular rotation when Nazr NEVER played in the second quarter. The Spurs blew the game open in the second quarter with Nazr on the bench.

So are you claiming that the Spurs did not need to rest Tim or Rob in the second half but they needed to rest Nazr? If it was all garbage time, why did Tim start the second half and Horry play in the second half?

As for what Pop says to players on the bench, I sit close enough to read some lips and sometimes even to hear. When Pop put in Nazr in the fourth quarter against Orlando and Nazr screwed the play up-- Pop turned beat red, beat the table, and yelled, "Rasho, get back in there for him!" Not too hard to tell what was going on there. Nazr lasted 20 seconds. And yes, there have been times that Pop went down to talk to Rasho to tell him to be ready. Last night, Nazr pulled his head out and started rebounding and that is why he stayed in and didn't get pulled again. But, Pop is ready with a quick hook. That is plain to see.

I contend that 3 games leading into the play-offs do mean something. Watch tonight.

rasho played 2 minutes in the first half, nuff said.

[ploto]

rasho played 2 minutes in the first half, nuff said.

Nazr never played after the first quarter when the rest of the starters did.

[SAGambler]

Nazr's tendency to bring down the ball during put backs should be addressed. He also pump-fake too often.

And for gods sake don't give him the ball unless he is directly under the rim, or he'll take six or seven steps and turn in over for traveling. , sometimes he manages to travel when he IS under the rim.

I thought Nazr would help more on offense than Rasho, even though we would lose a little defense. Now, I not so certain that is turnovers don't negate whatever offense he brings.

[boutons_]

"turnovers don't negate whatever offense he brings."

TOs, and baskets allowed with bad paint defense. He's a wash, but Rasho isn't much different. Both pretty useless

[cheguevara]

I'd take Nazr's agressiveness over anything rasho has to offer anyday.

[zeleni]

Rasho is not a good point guard.

Beno is a primadonna.

I really do not like Slovenes in the Spurs team. They are not that champions material..like Finley, Nazr or Marks. They are a wash. I agree with you boutons.

No, I really think we have a deep bench along with the veterans.


Let us make a good map of this team.

Tony, VanX, Beno

Barry, Manu

Bruce, Finley

TD, Horry, Marks

Nazr, Rasho

1st team gets the points from TP and TD
2nd team gets points from Manu, Finley and Horry

Rasho and Nazr varies from team to team depending on the defense/offense needed from the C position.

[Bruno]

Pop stated why Beno started-- to rest a sick Tony and to give Beno experience against Banks. He never said he needed to rest Nazr, especially given that Nazr barely played the previous game.

When you put a player in a game only to give him some experience, it means that you aren't far from the garbage time. Pop could have started with NVE.
I've never said the reason why Nazr had only played 10 minutes was to rest him and maybe Pop has started the second half with Rasho to give him some confidence for the playoff. Rasho will barely play during the playoff but he can be useful for spot minutes (foul troubles...).

You explain to me why Rasho is playing more and more as the play-offs get closer and Nazr is playing less and less. It is not just about Rahso's increased minutes- but Nazr's DECREASED playing time. You can't say that last night was a regular rotation when Nazr NEVER played in the second quarter. The Spurs blew the game open in the second quarter with Nazr on the bench.

I've explain why Nazr's minutes have decreased, please re-read.
For the second quarter : Spurs have mainly played with 1 big, Minny has played small ball. Spurs blew up the game with Duncan as only big man (+13 in 4 minutes). You've just pointed that Duncan is better than Nazr, plain and simple.

So are you claiming that the Spurs did not need to rest Tim or Rob in the second half but they needed to rest Nazr? If it was all garbage time, why did Tim start the second half and Horry play in the second half?

^^ already answered

As for what Pop says to players on the bench, I sit close enough to read some lips and sometimes even to hear. When Pop put in Nazr in the fourth quarter against Orlando and Nazr screwed the play up-- Pop turned beat red, beat the table, and yelled, "Rasho, get back in there for him!" Not too hard to tell what was going on there. Nazr lasted 20 seconds. And yes, there have been times that Pop went down to talk to Rasho to tell him to be ready. Last night, Nazr pulled his head out and started rebounding and that is why he stayed in and didn't get pulled again. But, Pop is ready with a quick hook. That is plain to see.

I contend that 3 games leading into the play-offs do mean something. Watch tonight.

More than one month leading into the playoff means more.
Watch tonight and more important Watch the playoff.

[ploto]

Watch tonight indeed. Last time we played Utah, Rasho played 25 minutes and Nazr played 9.

For the record, you still did not explain why Horry played in the second half and Nazr didn't. And even if the Spurs went small in the second quarter, why did Rasho play then and Nazr didn't? Nazr hasn't played much lately because Pop isn't happy. One quarter of one game against Minnesota does not explain the NOTICEABLE decline in Nazr's playing time over the past week leading into the play-offs.

You say the past month is more important, but the Spurs played poorly in that month. The change happened after the three disastrous home games in which the Spurs lost two and squeaked out a win over Memphis by 1. All you have to do is read Pop's quotes this past week. He keeps talking about everyone knowing what defense they are running- sometimes Nazr does not even know. I see him look to the bench for someone to tell him, and it is usually Rasho who does. Pop has talked about rhythm and finding the players who are playing well, and we all know that has not been Nazr. Pop has had a short fuse and a quick hook and I see no reason for that to change in a few days. Nazr better shape up and start playing better or he will find his ass on the bench.

[ploto]

I'd take Nazr's agressiveness over anything rasho has to offer anyday.

Rasho is a much more aggressive defensive player than Nazr will ever be. The game is played at both ends of the court.

[Bruno]

So, we disagree.

You think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Pop isn't happy with him.
I think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Nazr has had bad games, bad matchups and to keep everyine involve.

You think that the change in playing time this week means something, I don't think so.

Anyway, I understand your point of view and playoff will tell who will get minutes betweeen Nazr and Rasho. It's up to Pop to decide.

[Manu4Three]

So, we disagree.

You think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Pop isn't happy with him.
I think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Nazr has had bad games, bad matchups and to keep everyine involve.

You think that the change in playing time this week means something, I don't think so.

Anyway, I understand your point of view and playoff will tell who will get minutes betweeen Nazr and Rasho. It's up to Pop to decide.

Playoff's time will be for Nazr everybody knows that, and that's the best opcion
the Spurs have.
Playoff's time.....Nazr > Rasho. Period.

[zeleni]

Manu4Three,

Are the Spurs good enough in the paint to need that offensive rebounds from Nazr?

[Manu4Three]

Manu4Three,

Are the Spurs good enough in the paint to need that offensive rebounds from Nazr?

The Spurs were good enogh last playoff playing Nazr in the offensive board,
an will be good enogh this playoff playing Nazr again.
Rasho only will be a decent Nazr's backup, like the year before.

[gameFACE]

Nazr hasn't played that well lately but he will still be the starter in the playoffs.

Fair is fair, though. So i'll give Rasho props for playing well tonight and the last three games against playoff eliminated and under .500 teams.

[ploto]

So, we disagree.

You think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Pop isn't happy with him.
I think that Rasho has played more and Nazr less because Nazr has had bad games, bad matchups and to keep everyine involve.

You think that the change in playing time this week means something, I don't think so.

Anyway, I understand your point of view and playoff will tell who will get minutes betweeen Nazr and Rasho. It's up to Pop to decide.

I would say that the three times Pop pulled Nazr from the game tonight and replaced him with Rasho combined with the three or four times Pop yelled in his face pretty much solidifies my claim that Pop is not happy with Nazr.

Nazr got the chance to start the second half tonight, and what happened-- 30 seconds into the second half, Rasho was already sitting on the floor in front of the scorer's table. On a night the Spurs were attempting to clinch, they were -6 with Nazr on the court and +39 with Rasho. And it's not about garbage minutes either. In the first half the Spurs were losing when Rasho came into the game and 11 minutes later when he left, they were ahead by 15. Every time the lead got down to 12, Pop would pull Nazr and send Rasho back in and the lead would build back up.

I assure you- you will never see a stat line this for Nazr:
3-4; 6 points
11 rebounds
5 ASSISTS

And don't attempt some back handed compliment by saying Rasho has played well against non-playoff teams. If these teams are so bad, then why has Nazr sucked so much this week. Another 3 rebound- 2 TO night.

Rasho is playing well and Nazr isn't. Any fool can see that, and how you play going into the play-offs means something. Rasho had double digits rebounds off the bench tonight. Nazr has not had double digit rebounds in a month! See the ball movement with Rasho in there tonight-- that is what we need.

How many games can be explained away by match-ups. I thought Rasho was only effective against Yao and Shaq according to people on here?

[angel_luv]

Sho was fantastic tonight- especially when it came to rebounding. Rasho rocks!

[Bruno]

I would say that the three times Pop pulled Nazr from the game tonight and replaced him with Rasho combined with the three or four times Pop yelled in his face pretty much solidifies my claim that Pop is not happy with Nazr.

Sure and Pop has never yelled on Parker...
Not being happy about few games/few plays isn't the same thing that not being happy with a player.

Nazr got the chance to start the second half tonight, and what happened-- 30 seconds into the second half, Rasho was already sitting on the floor in front of the scorer's table. On a night the Spurs were attempting to clinch, they were -6 with Nazr on the court and +39 with Rasho. And it's not about garbage minutes either. In the first half the Spurs were losing when Rasho came into the game and 11 minutes later when he left, they were ahead by 15. Every time the lead got down to 12, Pop would pull Nazr and send Rasho back in and the lead would build back up.

Rasho has played well, not Nazr.

BTW, Last 3 games :
Against Minny : Nazr +9, Rasho +3
Against Orlando : Nazr +1, Rasho -14
Against Seattle : Nazr +11, Rasho -8
Don't use +/- stats only when they are good for Rasho.
I don't say that Nazr has played better than Rasho lately because it's not the case but you should be a little more meticulous before pointing some stats.

I assure you- you will never see a stat line this for Nazr:
3-4; 6 points
11 rebounds
5 ASSISTS

Cough... Phoenix...Cough
I know that you highlight assists but Nazr : 1ast/37min, Rasho 1ast/47min.
I don't say that Nazr has a better court vision and is a better passer than Rasho lately because it's not the case but you should be a little more meticulous before pointing some stats.

And don't attempt some back handed compliment by saying Rasho has played well against non-playoff teams. If these teams are so bad, then why has Nazr sucked so much this week. Another 3 rebound- 2 TO night.

I've never said that Rasho has played well only against non-playoff teams. I've said that he has get playtime against them. I'm not judging Rasho or Nazr. Maybe you think I'm a Rasho hater and a Nazr lover but you're far from the truth. I'm happy when Rasho plays well. I just try to understand who will play in playoff.

Rasho is playing well and Nazr isn't.

For the last week and this game, agree. For the last month, disagree.

Any fool can see that, and how you play going into the play-offs means something. Rasho had double digits rebounds off the bench tonight. Nazr has not had double digit rebounds in a month!

And that doesn't mean that Rasho is a better rebounder than Nazr over the last month.
Pop won't change his starting center that late in the season. I'm happy that Rasho is ready for the playoff and I hope that Nazr will play better.

See the ball movement with Rasho in there tonight-- that is what we need.

I don't care about what/who you think Spurs need.
I don't care about what/who I think Spurs need.
I don't care about what Pop should do. I don't live in the ifs and buts fantasy world. I trust Pop, he is a great coach and is way more knowladgable than me.
The only thing I care is what Pop will do and who will play for the playoff.
If you consider the situation from a neutral point (and I am neutral, I can find post where I congrats Rasho for outplaying Nazr in january) : Rasho will get only playtime in playoff if :
- Bigs are in foul trouble.
- Nazr sucks, if he is average Pop will stick with him.
- Garbage time.
- Bad matchup for Nazr/Good matchup for Rasho and it's higly unlikely when you look at the playoff picture.

How many games can be explained away by match-ups. I thought Rasho was only effective against Yao and Shaq according to people on here?

I've never said all games can be explained by matchup but if you think that matchup have nothing to do with playtime/"level of performance", you don't know BB enough.

[ploto]

I know that you highlight assists but Nazr : 1ast/37min, Rasho 1ast/47min.
I don't say that Nazr has a better court vision and is a better passer than Rasho lately because it's not the case but you should be a little more meticulous before pointing some stats.


I've never said all games can be explained by matchup but if you think that matchup have nothing to do with playtime/"level of performance", you don't know BB enough.

Nazr's CAREER high in assists is 3. Enough said.

I never said that match-ups don't effect games, but that has been your excuse for Rasho's minutes and Nazr's bad play EVERY game lately. Guess he doesn't match up against Minnesota or Utah either. You're the one who told me to watch the game last night-- well I did, and I was right.

Why would Pop who has YANKED Nazr many times lately all the sudden not do it in a couple of days?

And for the record, I never claimed Pop would start Rasho. I just said it is obvious that Nazr is going to find his butt on the bench a lot more than he expects if he doesn't get his act in gear, and soon. Pop's patience with him is wearing thin. Pop is more than ready to send in Rasho, which you claimed was my hallucination, but was clearly on display for all to see last night.

[ploto]

Rasho is not a good point guard.

He had 5 assists last night!

[Bruno]

Nazr's CAREER high in assists is 3. Enough said.

Average performance is way more important than top performance.
You will be the first to blame Nazr for being inconsistant and you will be right.
Rasho has made 32 assists in 1500 minutes this year, it's stupid to highlight this stat. Plain and simple.

I never said that match-ups don't effect games, but that has been your excuse for Rasho's minutes and Nazr's bad play EVERY game lately. Guess he doesn't match up against Minnesota or Utah either.

You're wrong. Please, re-read my post and don't speak for me.

You're the one who told me to watch the game last night-- well I did, and I was right.

You're wrong. Please, re-read my post and don't speak for me.
You're the one who told me to watch the game last night, and I said you should too and that the more important is to watch the playoff.

Why would Pop who has YANKED Nazr many times lately all the sudden not do it in a couple of days?

Maybe because Nazr has sucked for one week. Plain and simple

And for the record, I never claimed Pop would start Rasho. I just said it is obvious that Nazr is going to find his butt on the bench a lot more than he expects if he doesn't get his act in gear, and soon. Pop's patience with him is wearing thin. Pop is more than ready to send in Rasho, which you claimed was my hallucination, but was clearly on display for all to see last night.

You're a genious, your conclusion : if Nazr sucks he won't play, congrats and you know the sky is blue too.

[ploto]

Average performance is way more important than top performance.
You will be the first to blame Nazr for being inconsistant and you will be right.
Rasho has made 32 assists in 1500 minutes this year, it's stupid to highlight this stat. Plain and simple.


Maybe because Nazr has sucked for one week. Plain and simple

Then Rasho averages one assist per game for his CAREER and Nazr 0.4.

And sorry, but Nazr has been sucking for almost a month- not a week.

[zeleni]

Rasho is not a good point guard.

He had 5 assists last night!

Now we are talkin!

Ploto is a BELIEVER!

[Dario]

I still cant get it why you all think starting the second half or even first half mean so much?

[zeleni]

BTW, Last 3 games :
Against Minny : Nazr +9, Rasho +3
Against Orlando : Nazr +1, Rasho -14
Against Seattle : Nazr +11, Rasho -8
Don't use +/- stats only when they are good for Rasho.
I don't say that Nazr has played better than Rasho lately because it's not the case but you should be a little more meticulous before pointing some stats.



Cough... Phoenix...Cough
I know that you highlight assists but Nazr : 1ast/37min, Rasho 1ast/47min.
I don't say that Nazr has a better court vision and is a better passer than Rasho lately because it's not the case but you should be a little more meticulous before pointing some stats.

Look at this stats from Pheonix

Look at this stats from the Jazz

Compare -1 from Nazr to 39 from Rasho. Explain. GO!

[Bruno]

Compare -1 from Nazr to 39 from Rasho. Explain. GO!

First, don't speak to me like that, dude.

Then, +/- stats are way better when your team won by 33 than when your team won by 6. If you don't understand that, I can do nothing for you.

+/- stats aren't the better statistical way to evaluate the performance on one game, efficiency is a better stat to evaluate the performance on one game and watching the game is still by far the better way to know if a player has well played or not.