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spurs pulled a trade out of nowhere to get hedo and mercer
hedo did not work out that well but it was not like they were not creative in that trade
We have won it all. Why can't you get this through your head? We already have the team other guys want.Because they haven't won it all doesn't diminish the fact that they made many good trades.And they wouldn't have to make so many trades. Thanks for your help.With their managements had any of these teams got lucky enough to land Robinson and or Duncan they would have also won les.I know 29 ownership groups that do. The one that doesn't has a last place team.I don't care about payrolls.
spurs pulled a trade out of nowhere to get hedo and mercer
hedo did not work out that well but it was not like they were not creative in that trade
portland is about to lose its team
allen is sick of lossing money
allen does not even stay in portland
bob had all the freedom to do what he wanted
how many trips to the finals did they make?
what how many trips to the wcf finals did they make?
those trades worked out so well did they not?
??? You could surround Duncan, and when they had D Robinson with any role players and you will win it all. thats how good these guys were as compared with what other teams had on the inside. The only team that could compete was the lakers because they also has a dominate inside force with Shaq.
The spurs have not improved with trades. You will not be on the top long if you get complacent with your roster as it is and do little or nothing to try to improve. Especially when so many good opportunities come along every year to get players at less than market value in return.
The spurs have done a crappy job when it comes to trades. You put Duncan on any team and that team becomes an nba contender. There are only 5 players on each team on the court at a time so the impact one great player like Duncan makes is huge.
What i'm saying is other than getting lucky with duncan and Robinson who even you and I would have drafted and a couple good draft picks in Parker and manu the spurs have done nothing more than find fill in players who are no better than the rest of the league.
They have continued to miss out on good trade opportunities.
Umm, so why did they only win two championships together?
So why hasn't Miami won a championship yet? If all you need is Shaq, they should have won it last year.
Oh yeah, there are so many players willing to play for less than market value. That's why so many teams have won 60 games already this year, and championships the last few years, because they've signed all those cheap yet incredibly good players.
Yeah, the Cavs have won a lot of championships.
OK, I mean the LA Kobes have won a lot of championships since the Diesel left.
Sorry, the Mavs.
OK, OK, how about AI and the 6ers?
Oops, Ray Allen and the Sonics? Certainly HE thinks he is a great player ...
Gosh, maybe it does take more than one great player after all? But certainly all these other teams have been making those great trades you keep talking about?
And they are hurting so badly, aren't they?
Same with Parker and Manu. I know you'd feel better if we had traded for them, but we didn't. I don't understand why the Spurs should be penalized for drafting so well they don't have to go chasing after every player available in trade. We already have the players other teams want. Get that through your tiny brain.Yes, finding role players to compliment the three All-Stars you already have is easier than trying to trade every season to get three All-Stars.What i'm saying is other than getting lucky with duncan and Robinson who even you and I would have drafted and a couple good draft picks in Parker and manu the spurs have done nothing more than find fill in players who are no better than the rest of the league.You have yet to show any posible trade that would've fit the specific needs of the Spurs and the team to be traded with. Stick to fantasy basketball GMing and leave the real world to the folks with at least an iota of knowledge.They have continued to miss out on good trade opportunities.
The spurs do not make impact trades. The spurs miss out on good bargain trades that other teams are able to pull off. The spurs do not either want or attempt many trades. Winning is another argument not associated with the fact the spurs do not make trades. Becasue you win it last year doesn't mean you don't have to sit back and do nothing in the trade market. Thats complacency and will lead to future failure.
Don't argue around these facts. Those are valid observations. When I said the spurs should go after R Wallace and or Carter this board said those guys weren't any good anymore and not worth it. It has been proven otherwise by their play and teams improvements since they were traded.
The Spurs don't need impact trades - ty rebuilding teams do.The spurs do not make impact trades.That's the stupidest thing you've ever posted. Which team needs to make an impact trade more - 1) the reigning NBA champion or 2) a 20-62 team?Winning is another argument not associated with the fact the spurs do not make trades.It means your needs are much more specific than that of a ty team and most potential trades aren't going to work for you.Becasue you win it last year doesn't maen you don't have to sit back and do nothing in the trade market.I met them head on -- it is you who have failed to prove anything.Don't argue around these facts.Who says they didn't? You? I know you have listening devices in RCs office and know the janitor's brother, so you have the inside scoop, right? I never said those players were not worth looking at (though I would never trade Manu for an admitted quitter at twice the price - that's an idiot's trade), but given the team's needs and what they had to offer - those teams got better than the Spurs would ever think about giving.When I said the spurs should go after R Wallace and or Carter this board said those guys weren't any good anymore and not worth it.
Dude, give it up. You have been owned more often than a career hooker. Your arguments have been picked so bare that a vulture wouldn't have anything to do with the remnants.
Repeating the same tired old time after time doesn't change the fact that it's tired old .
Dude yourself. Its just your point of view vs mine.
If its tired old don't bother posting.
You have met nothing. All you state is the spurs don't need to make changes because they won the championship, Thats plain ass stupid.
The spurs are not good at making good trades. The history speaks for itself. Where are all the good trades the spurs have made the last 5 years? So many good players have changed teams and many trades were rip off deals and the spurs were not involved in any of them.
What was wrong with trying to land Caron Butler? The spurs couldn't offer a package deal for him? i've heard when the spurs have had some interest in playewrs in the past like sprewell but there was no word that the spurs had any interest in acquiring Butler, r wallace Carter or wilcox.
Last edited by rascal; 04-13-2006 at 04:08 PM.
Still waiting for those trade packages, RC....
Its not my job to come up with deals. Its the spurs job. All i see is the results of their inability to make trades. I could go to realgm and think up some possible offers that could have been made for all these players but its not my job. But if it were there would be some dealing going on.
Why is it so difficult or painful for you to acknowledge that the spurs are not good at acquiring really good players thru trade. You bypass this point and counter it with things like the spurs win anyways. Thats not the issue. The issue is the spurs do not make trades.
When you claim the Spurs could have easily gotten these players, it damn sure is your job to prove it.Its not my job to come up with deals.
At the information is out there on the internets. I'll give you links if you need them.
Your problem is you are completely ignorant of the rules regarding trades and how they affect a team's existing and future payroll and think they are as easy as shuffling players between your fantasy teams.
It isn't.
So go educate yourself or leave it to those who already know.
Other teams are able to make deals, the spurs don't. Its always so difficult for the spurs but other teams seem to manage. Thats a weak excuse saying its difficult.
I'm saying you're ignorant. What's your excuse for that?
No you are ignorant, because you haven't told me anything I don't know but your ignorance doesn't know it. Your the one with the excuses.
I have a fair knowledge of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and its impact on trades in general and the Spurs in partuicular. Ask around.
Now, show me those trade packages.
I made no claims that the spurs could have easily gotten these players but I saw nothing showing that they even tried or even had any interest in them.
Thats the problem. I don't seeing any positive results in improving the team thru trades.
Last edited by rascal; 04-13-2006 at 05:08 PM.
getting hedo for ferry was a smart trade
Really, have you EVER heard anything about this team doing a specific trade until a few hours before it was supposed to take place?I saw nothing showing that they even tried or even had any interest in them.
So you're really just whining about the Spurs' being a close-lipped organization.
Why not just say that?
Hedo was not good on the spurs. He lasted only one year and they got rid of him. Claxton also lasted only one year.
When you can only come up with players like Hedo or Muhammed or Claxton that shows how poor the spurs have been at trades.
No I have heard when there was interest in sprewell and a few years back in payton but nothing was worked out. But nothing in any of the guys I've mentioned earlier.
I do not see results. The spurs do not make trades.
Sam Smith articles and message board speculation don't count.No I have heard when there was interest in sprewell and a few years back in payton but nothing was worked out. But nothing in any of the guys I've mentioned earlier.I do not see results.
WTF?! Two of those players played key roles on championship winning teams, what else do you want?
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