Depth

[1Parker1]

I don't understand some people on this forum. When Manu's contract was up, almost everyone on this forum agreed that we had to keep Manu at all costs. They said he was invaluable, a great energy player, and brings the little things into the game. And, I agreed with all of that. But now that it's time for Parker's contract, we have people who are saying that Tony Parker is expendable?? Now I know Parker and Manu have two totally different styles of playing and bring totally different things to the team, however, the main thing everyone has against Parker is that he is inconsistent. Well Manu is also inconsistent, he has had a lot of games also where when his shot wasn't falling, the rest of his game wasn't going to great either (turnovers, etc). So how come it was so easy for everyone to say that we must keep Manu at all costs, yet Tony is expendable (when he's the second top scorer/important person on the team, and Manu is 3rd?)

Now I understand that some people are wouldn't want to keep Parker because a max deal could hurt the Spurs in the future. But let me ask this, Would you all have agreed to give Manu and max-like deal if he had asked for it???

[RobinsontoDuncan]

no i would not have wanted him at a max deal and dont get me worng i want parker but i want him at a ginobilli-esque deal, he just isnt worth the max. Then look at the point of this thread our depth. if we lose tony we can do this: Trade him for another role player, draft a pg after the season and start beno, or play a point guard by commity approach, ex: Beno starts at the one but is instantly spelled by Barry who is in turn spelled by Manu, who can split some time with Brown who goes back to any of the afore mentioned players. Plus the backup we drafted or traded for.

[1Parker1]

sounds complicated

[RobinsontoDuncan]

not really it just shows our chemistry that we can easily rotate our players so effectivley.

[xcoriate]

Well at least we shifted away from the Jackson proposition....

RtD your still relying on Udrih becoming a starting caliber point, the front office can make mistakes Beno could be a flop (I don't think he will be), we can't rely on drafting talent either. A point guard line up of Barry/Manu and did you suggest devin? Is not good enough. None of those guys are point guards there shooting guards who can play a bit of 1...

Barry can play minutes at 1 but hes more effective on the wing.

we could still be a contender without parker.

Thats not good enough... We don't want to contend we want to win. Without Parker we lose so much. Parker is an integral part of team. One that is required to become more than a mere contender like Dallas.

We want to to win the championships.

[TheWriter]

RobtoRob,

The Spurs will always have money to sign players.

If they're undertha cap they have that money. If they're over the cap they'll have the two exceptions.

Bottomline, Parker over Bobby Jackson.

Parker for 9 million is worth it. He's only 22 years old and one of the ebst in the lead. He just needs to be more Consistent with his plays.

With Parker we are set for many years.

Tim
Manu
Parker
Devin
Linton
Beno

That's a great group of guys to have for the next 5 years!

[RobinsontoDuncan]

a contendor is a team that has the ability to win chamionships, we could because by constantly rotating our skilled 2s around we would have all the balance we need at point guard

dont forget that next offseason when it comes time to sign him we will have been able to evaluate urdih

[ducks]

it is much easier for duncan to know who will pass him the ball
and duncan getting one point guard to know where he likes it instead of by comittee

[RobinsontoDuncan]

duncan seems to catch manu's errant passes pretty well

BTW to the Writer it's Rob to Duncan

[BronxCowboy]

^^
But he shouldn't have to. What was this thread supposed to be about anyway?

[RobinsontoDuncan]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...?t=3827&page=1

[BronxCowboy]

OK, thanks. Been a long discussion here.

[Mark in Austin]

anyway the jackson thing seems to be taking away from my earlier premises that we could still be a contender without parker. thats all im trying to get at here.

The "Jackson thing" was your only weak-ass attempt to back up your original assertion that we don't need Parker once holes were shot in your theory that Beno and Devin could "fill in". The "Jackson thing" has now had holes shot through it, so you blow it off and say it's distracting from your original point?

WTF?

[Phenomanul]

With Parker we are set for many years.

Tim
Manu
Parker
Devin
Linton
Beno

That's a great group of guys to have for the next 5 years!

Don't forget that we will also have Barry for the next 4 years.....

[Brodels]

Just so I don't get blamed for believing something crazy, mark it down that I never have hoped for the Spurs to trade Parker and I've never been really happy with having Beno and Barry replace him.

I really want Parker to stay, but at a fair price. I think if it comes down to it, the Spurs shouldn't pay Tony the max unless he justifies that kind of contract with his play this season. To do so would make things difficult in the near (and far) future.

I hope that both sides can come to an agreement in the next couple of weeks. Anything up to about $68 million would work. $60 million seems reasonable.

RobinsontoDuncan makes it sound like the Spurs would be better off without Tony and that they could easily cover for him if he left. I disagree.

[Brodels]

And as far as depth goes, I'm not as impressed. Horry, Rose, and Marks don't excite me. They'll be solid, but they probably won't be anything more. Rose needs to convince Pop that he should play before he even enters the discussion. Nobody really knows how much Horry has left in the tank. And Marks and Massenburg haven't played big minutes with the Spurs before.

Beno is also a question mark. He could be solid, but he could be a bust. Deven Brown also needs to continue to improve. He still doesn't know when to shoot the ball and when to pass. LJIII may or may not have enough offense to get playing time.

There are still lots of questions about the bench. That doesn't mean that I'm not optimistic about the team. I am, but the bench is the one area that concerns me.