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That said, it's too late to make a change in the starting lineup. The Spurs will need Nazr if they have any hope of beating Detroit.
That said, it's too late to make a change in the starting lineup. The Spurs will need Nazr if they have any hope of beating Detroit.
Not that I think it will happen, but...
We changed the starting line-up twice in the play-offs last season, once taking Manu out and then again putting him back in. It's not like Rasho hasn't spent 2 1/2 years starting with those 4 guys. They have played many more minutes together than those 4 and Nazr.
I also see no reason why whom we might play over a month from now has anything to do with this. If Nazr started the whole play-offs and Rasho hardly even played at all, Rasho would still be ready to face Shaq if that happened.
And- it's not like it is just this one game. Nazr has been playing poorly all month, against all kinds of match-ups. Go back and remember: Rasho starting the second half of those games. Pop pulling Nazr about 30 seconds into the second half of another one.
That being said- Nazr will start, but Pop will be more than "happy" to replace him with Rasho at any miscue.
I really do not see how people who watch every game did not see this coming. People fought me and insulted me for pointing out what seemed apparent to me.
Last edited by ploto; 04-30-2006 at 09:12 AM.
Spurs could mix it up a little. This time around Nazr is as valuable as Oberto sitting. When sitting he would be at least motivated enough. It's all a compe ion for the 2-headed monster.
Center by committee. Sweet.
Don't hurt yourself patting your own back.
A Bench Nazr thread was bound to come up at some point in the playoffs. His role is too large and his overall skill is too small for that not to happen. If Rasho was the starter, you'd see the Bench Rasho thread at some point, too. , we saw Bench David threads in the last 3-4 years of his career.
They'll come another point in the playoffs where Nazr plays well and Rasho sucks and people will wonder how Rasho is in the NBA. It's the nature of the beast ... and a sign that the Spurs have two very inconsistent centers.
Neither of our bigs seemed to be inclined to dunk. And when Nazr tries, it seems like the ball has already been stripped and headed the other direction.
The point is that Nazr was playing poorly BEFORE the play-offs ever hit and for at least a couple of weeks. People refused to admit it THEN and are acting like this is some sudden happening in one game. You, among others, even adamently adhered to the notion that the Spurs would only play an 8-man rotation- or maybe 9. Rasho and Brent were playing too well for the Spurs not to use them, and they have.
And you never addressed the idea that the line-up can't be changed when we did it twice last year.
You didn't even have Rasho playing.
There is a difference between a prediction and an observation. You predict Nazr will play better and Rasho worse. Given that Nazr is playing downright awful that is pretty easy to guess. Also given the level at which Rasho is playing, that is a pretty safe guess,as well. But the difference is what I had posted at the end of the season was an observation. Rasho was playing well. Nazr was not. Pop was increasing Rasho's minutes as the play-offs got closer. Pop was getting more and more impatient with Nazr and pulling him sooner and sooner. Those were apparent to the eye but people claimed they meant nothing. Well, they did.
Last edited by ploto; 04-30-2006 at 03:12 PM.
Nazr was decent in the first two games. 18 points, 8 rebounds and three blocks in the first game and 9-for-10 from the field combined in both games. He just sucked in Game 3.
The Spurs have won three championships with an 8-man rotation. I assumed they would stick to what works.People refused to admit it THEN and are acting like this is some sudden happening in one game. You, among others, even adamently adhered to the notion that the Spurs would only play an 8-man rotation- or maybe 9.
That said, Pop has coached this series like an extension of the regular season rather than the playoffs.
I didn't address it because it's not like that is some profound fact digging you did. Everyone knows the Spurs switched their lineup last season.And you never addressed the idea that the line-up can't be changed when we did it twice last year.
You don't put Rasho into the starting lineup now because he only works against certain teams. Pop could do it, but the team needs all the time it can get to get Nazr into some type of a rhythm.
And I still don't when the Spurs reach the Finals. Rasho has sucked horribly versus the Pistons. He's too soft and too slow to deal with the Detroit bigs. As I said before the playoffs, Rasho will have a role as long as he can matchup. Against the Kings, he matches up pretty well because he can guard Miller, SARS and Thomas.You didn't even have Rasho playing.
Wallaces and McDyess will be a different story. , so would the Suns for that matter.
no nazr needs to play hard, rasho should play but nazr is a key to their success
Rasho gets the majority of the minutes for this series.
If they play in the next round against Dallas, Horry will
if they are lucky to get to the next round against LAL or LAC
it will depend on Matchups
Clippers Nazr
Lakers Rasho
Finals?
Nazr Horry, THATS IT!
Well, which one???
Clippers- Nazr?? He can't cover Kaman or Brand.
Apparently, Nazr only works against certain teams, as well.
And why is Nazr not into a rhythm already? Two months starting was not enough?
It's too late to get Nazr adjusted to a role off the bench when Rasho won't even be a full-time starter.
Putting Barry into the starting lineup was different because Barry was still going to play no matter what and the minutes were going to be the same. That was just a token move to improve bench production.
Switching Nazr and Rasho would be totally different.
9-for-10 in the first two games was not enough?
It was his role for over half the season.
He can cover Kaman, and you need rebounding during that series.Clippers- Nazr?? He can't cover Kaman or Brand.
Look dude, Im a Rasho fan too, but I know his limits, you gotta know his too.
Slow down......
Half of those were in garbage time of game 1.
His defense has been awful, he turns the ball over like crazy, and he is getting totally outrebounded by Rasho-- That should be humiliating enough.
Look what happened in 2004.
Look what happened in 2005.
Rasho's +/- has been in the minus over the last two games of the series. Slow your roll.
I'm not a Nazr fan (because his defense sucks) but he had 8 and 6 rebounds in the first two games. That's pretty good. Game 3 is the only game he really sucked horribly ... and Pop played him accordingly.
Do you remember the last two Clippers games??
I don't consider 6 rebounds to be good enough to warrant his time when he is supposed to be such a great rebounder. To make up for all his defensive lapses and his turnovers, he needs more than 6.
Plus, if Nazr was playing so fine in game 2 why was his ass on the bench in overtime and Rasho's in the game?
He'd have to average 20 rpg to make up for his defensive lapses.
Oh, gee, -1 to Nazr's -6.
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