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No. He just thinks he's better than Beno.I thought Timvp thinks NVE is God
Exactly.
Instead of getting all freaked out thinking someone actually criticized Manu, MI21 actually got the point of the thread.
No. He just thinks he's better than Beno.I thought Timvp thinks NVE is God
Some people forgot about some important facts.
- Manu played with an injury in games 3 & 4 of last year's Finals (he didn't complain about it). Also, the Pistons defense focused on him after he killed them in the first two games. The rest of the Spurs didn't take advantage of that, the whole team played awful in those two games. Remember Tim Duncan going into the bench with a helpless face when the Spurs were being blown out?
- His game 5 wasn't great, but it was an all-around good game, including the assist to Horry's dagger. He served as bait, which Rasheed gladly ate.
- He was very good in the rest of those playoffs on the road. He scored over the Nuggets, Sonics (both tried to stop him going "physical" -or thuggish-, we know the result of that), and the Suns. Not only he played great, he was clutch. Remember the assist to Duncan in Game 6 of the Sonics series? The entire Sonics roster collapsed on him since he was owning them so bad. Remember the behind-the-back-to-the-right-reverse-layup against the Suns? The pick'n'pop with Duncan?
- He screwed up in game 3 of this current Sacto series, and vanished -as the whole team did- in game 4. It could be said that he didn't try to force things when he shouldn't, but I'm not that much of a Manu homer.
- On the road, referees call many less fouls for the road team (Unless your name is Bavetta and the home team is the Spurs). When he attacks the basket, opponents are allowed to be more physical on him, and many times when he tries to draw a foul, the refs don't blow the whistle.
- Look at his 2003 and 2004 stats on the road: they were pretty solid for his role back then. Sixth Man in his rookie season, "Spark off the bench/Energizer/Unpredictable slasher" in his sophmore year.
timvp, I consider you a person who knows his basketball, but your recent posts about Manu smell like Sequ or ducks stuff.
Cheers.
If anything, that should show how important Manu is to the Spurs. If he has a bad game, it will be very difficult for the Spurs to win. Of course, that doesn't happen too often as we have seen in the last 4 years.
Why? Because he acknowledge that it was mentally weak to be upset about a Game 3 turnover during Game 4? And he noticed that he has shot 20% less on the road than at home in recent playoff games?
timvp loves Manu. He thinks he's a playoff God.
Is not just this thread. I don't know, I might be wrong, I'm posting thousands miles away and never talked to him, it's just a feeling.
Why? Because he acknowledge that it was mentally weak to be upset about a Game 3 turnover during Game 4? And he noticed that he has shot 20% less on the road than at home in recent playoff games?
timvp loves Manu. He thinks he's a playoff God.
Maybe if Manu was black, wore a headband and flexed his muscles after every made shot would you appreciate him more?
Just kidding :p
Who didn't suck in the last 5 road games? TD had a good one in Arco and a decent one in Det. Besides, Manu has had to go against Artest this year and against the Det. defense (who I have heard are decent) in the last 5 road games. Not like he was getting to shred the Mavericks or anything.
Besides, the Spurs only win road games when they have to. Otherwise they just pack it up and wait to be back home.
Home court officiating.
Let this be a lesson unto you, infidelvp. Never question, only praise.
One Who Has Learned.
you do know it's common for people to have multiple personalities on these forums...
But whatever, this thread is kinda dumb because Road Games were independent from other variables from these individual series, which was one: Manu's MENTAL Breakdown in Game 4. He got over it by Game 5, thank god. And two, the thigh injury in game 3 of the Finals...I saw the exact thing happen to Billups in this year's regular season game against the Lakers. He shot like 2 of 10 FG and was pretty much passive the whole game. The commentators remarked on it being his hit in the thigh putting him out of rhythm...
And as others have mentioned the sample's pretty small so what's the point of singling out Manu....The stats that are glaring is in those two series--Pistons, and Kings and excluding game 1 of this one--when Manu does good, they get the win. When Manu does bad, the game is in a loss collumn. Not taking away from Tim the Rock, and Tony's game, but when Tim and Tony have good games, it's doesn't discriminate between Wins and Losses.
I really think this is more telling that when Manu does good in these playoff's series's, he sets the tone/spark and the rest of the Spurs follow. Going back to the first minutes of game 1, it ends up being included.
Pop himself said, Manu is the Key, and that game 4 loss on Sunday was hard to swallow. The difference maker should know his role.
There are some hypersensitive people in this thread. I didn't even give an opinion in the opening post. It was just the splits from his last five at home and his last five on the road.
From that, I don't know how Argentina jumped down my throat. I've been Manu's biggest supporter all season and now all of sudden I'm a hater. Yeah, okay.
Manu admitted that he took himself out of Game 4 because he was still hung up on his turnover to lose Game 3. Any other player on this team would be ripped mercilessly for taking himself out of an important playoff game but of course Saint Manu can't even be questioned.
I speak the good and the bad. I'm not going to sugar coat the bad of Manu just like I don't sugar coat the bad of anyone else on this team. Argentina needs to Sac up and stop getting pissy just because someone isn't showering the Saint with accolades.
Manu is awesome and San Antonio is lucky to have him but he isn't without fault, no matter what your blue and white colored glasses may reveal to you.
In the last week:
Yeah, timvp is such a hater.I'll give it to Artest, he's a of a defender. I don't think Bowen could guard Manu as well as Artest can.
That said, knowing Manu he'll come out like MJ
you speak in third person??
Not another one.
Sure, but some people are too apt to dismiss some player's injuries, while too eager to accept another player's injuries as the only reason why they didn't attain Jordan-like greatness on any given game.
Billups got hit in the thigh early in the Lakers game this season, which was real similar to Manu in Game 3.
Also every player's different. Manu was noticeably off and passive after getting knee'd ...it sounds like "excuses, excuses" from word of mouth, but these are the type of things you just have to see and not hear.
You're asking a Jordan injury doesn't hamper? But Jordan's Jordan and Manu's Manu. Remember Jordan's Flu game, you had to see it to see him thrive off it. Remember Tim's not so glorified Flu Game??? you had to see that to understand it was funny..Wade's had injuries in-game and bounced back to bear the load cuz it's his role. So each injury affects the player's differently. It's not so much the Injury Card/pass. you could tell it took Manu out of his game. Just like Duncan on B2B games PF starts affecting him and you could see it in his lift and lack of movement.
Besides, who says we fans can't use it as an excuse. Only the one's playing suck it up and ignore the injury as the reason.
Manu gets good ref treatment at home, which encourages him to drive that lane relentlessly, which gives him better treatment, etc etc
He gets on by the refs on the road. I've never seen refs treat a spur like night and day like that ever.
I'm not ing, just saying what I see.
Dude, people have a very short memory on this board... whether it's a poster or a player, the mentality is "what have you done for me lately?" and it gets on my nerves sometimes.... Detroit fans are often the worst, too - acting like everyone is so much more physical in these playoffs than ever before while completely ignoring the thugs on the Detroit teams of the late 80s and early 90s... somtimes, you can't ever win... I respect that you didn't even make an opinion in the first thread and just put up objective stats to start a discussion - why people are prompted to rip into you is beyond me, but I guess they're just a little immature and sensitive...
timvp doesn't have the skills to be a sequ.
YW
At least u didn't pull the nationality card.
POffs 2005 11 games
Code:* PLAYER G# MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OR DR TR A PF ST TO B-S PTS RES Den M. Ginobili G3 31 10-21 2-4 10-13 1 8 9 3 4 0 1 1 32 W M. Ginobili G4 37 5-13 2-4 12-16 0 4 4 6 4 0 1 2 24 W Sea M. Ginobili G3 30 5-11 2-3 6-10 2 4 6 2 4 1 3 0 18 L M. Ginobili G4 25 4-10 1-2 6-8 3 4 7 2 4 1 3 0 15 L M. Ginobili G6 36 3-6 1-3 6-10 0 6 6 7 3 2 5 0 13 W Phoe M. Ginobili G1 37 5-10 1-2 9-13 0 6 6 5 3 1 2 0 20 W M. Ginobili G2 38 10-18 3-7 3-5 0 4 4 4 2 1 2 0 26 W M. Ginobili G5 35 6-15 2-6 5-6 0 8 8 6 1 3 4 0 19 W Det * M. Ginobili G3 29 2-6 1-3 2-2 0 4 4 0 4 0 6 0 7 L M. Ginobili G4 32 4-9 1-5 3-4 0 4 4 3 3 1 2 1 12 L M. Ginobili G6 44 5-16 0-4 5-5 3 3 6 9 4 1 2 0 15 W TOTALS # 374 61-135 18-47 67-95 9 55 64 47 36 11 31 4 201 7-11 TOTAL % 34,0 44% 37% 73% 0,8 5,0 5,8 4,3 3,3 1,0 2,8 0,4 18,3 64%
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COME ON MANU NO POINTS 3 minutes left in first half game 6 on road
BRING IT
3 rebs, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 points, and he barely touched the ball...
jim akseed if hewas playing
he had 2 steals
the steals are nice I miss them easy baskets for spurs
hopefully that late basket will get him going spurs need his scoring
you trying to rime now ducks?
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