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    Any word out of Atlanta on Al Harrington? Is he planning to leave as a FA? it's not like they are stacked at centers...I wonder if there is a deal there?
    I think he will leave Atlanta and I really like him.
    He will be quite expensive (around $50M/6 years) but he should be our starting PF.
    I've thought about a way to get him and my better solution is a 3 way trade with Atlanta and Chicago :
    Rasho + rights to Scola to Chicago
    07 spurs first round pick (lotery protected) to Atlanta
    Harrington to SA.

    Our big men rotation should be :
    PF : Harrington/Horry
    C : Duncan/Javtokas/Oberto

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    Rasho needs to go...

    Sorry Angel
    I don't think he needs to go, Nazr without a doubt needs to go.

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    I think you bring in someone athletic to play alongside Tim and keep Rasho for those situations in which you still need a defensive center. Nazr just never figured out how to do what he was "needed" for. Rasho on the other hand does do what he is supposed to do against those match-ups that are supposed to be his.

    I am just amazed that someone said they prefer Nazr because they don't like Rasho's defense!!

    One more thing to consider-- people gripe about 3 years left on Rasho's contract- but would you really rather commit to 5 more years of Nazr because that is what he wants. He turned down 4 years and $25M last summer. The truth is that Rasho will be entering the last year of his contract about the time Ian is ready for the NBA. I don't think you still want 3 more years of Nazr after that time.
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    ^^ I'm all for keeping Rasho and sign an athletic PF but the trouble with that scenario is that we will have some ddifficulties to stay under the Lux Tax threshold.

    To stay under the tax, we have to spend less than $18M for players beside Duncan/Parker/Manu/Bowen/Finley/Horry (the obvious keepers).

    - We go with the cheap solution for the backup PG spot : Beno/3rd sting for the min => cost $1.75M
    - We go cheap for the end of the bench (only 13 player under contract, a 5th big for the min) => cost $1.5M ($750k fot the 5th big and $750k for the 13rd player)
    - Rasho cost : $7.25M

    That means that we have only $7.5M for the 4th swingman and for the athletic PF. If you can find a way to trade Barry + Oberto and get two players who fit that description, keeping Rasho and adding an athletic swingman can work.

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    I know the salary cap percentage is going up again this year but is the luxury tax percentage going to stay the same? I can't remember.

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    I know the salary cap percentage is going up again this year but is the luxury tax percentage going to stay the same? I can't remember.
    I think the tax percentage won't change.
    The tax threshold was $61.7M last year and I've taken $63M for the computation.

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    What struck me listening to Pop on his show yesterday was the fact that right away he stressed the need for addressing the backup PG situation, then made reference to adding a 'Derrick McKey" type for the 3 position. Then he said, and I'm paraphrasing "...then we'll figure out the bigs."

    I can't see Pop getting rid of both Nazr & Rasho in favor of a 'versatile' lineup. But who knows, maybe the staff believes the league is changing and they better change with it.
    In Pop's post season comments yesterday earlier in the day, when he used the word versatile, it came after a statement about the nature of the NBA today and how one day you have to play big and the next day you have to play small. I think he is saying you need to try to be built for both. He also said that he is just concerned about positions and having depth at positions. I interpret that to mean what I posted elsewhere that he has in his mind all the roles you need filled to match-up in all the possible ways and how to fill those roles. For example, I would think that you make sure your perimeter guys are not all similar types- or you have 2 centers of different types for differing match-ups. I don't think you can expect each player to be versatile just the entire make-up of the team to be. But then again, I would have always assumed this to be the case.

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    Chopper - Normally I agree with you, but N.O. wanted Barry in Feb, when he was playing like , and they definitely want to move JR Smith. Barry did nothing but improve his trade stock, and 2/$10M isn't a bad contract.

    A NICE trade would be to change it from Smith and crummy Euro for Barry to Smith and a S&T for Speedy for Barry or Barry and Beno. They supposedly want shooters and both our guys qualify and Beno is a cheaper backup for them who wouldn't have to play many minutes with Chris Paul at the helm.

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    What about Tayshaun Prince as the Bowen succesor?

    I think Cassell is worth a look, but what about Bobby Jackson as an economical backup plan?

    How about big men Tim Thomas and Keith Van Horn? Neither should be too expensive.

    These guys are probably too expensive but you get them if you can: Stoyakovic, Al Harrington, Bonzi.

    What about Ilgauskas and Gooden with Cleveland, both potential free agents?

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    Chopper - Normally I agree with you, but N.O. wanted Barry in Feb, when he was playing like , and they definitely want to move JR Smith. Barry did nothing but improve his trade stock, and 2/$10M isn't a bad contract.

    A NICE trade would be to change it from Smith and crummy Euro for Barry to Smith and a S&T for Speedy for Barry or Barry and Beno. They supposedly want shooters and both our guys qualify and Beno is a cheaper backup for them who wouldn't have to play many minutes with Chris Paul at the helm.
    That trade would be a work of art.

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    What about Ilgauskas and Gooden with Cleveland, both potential free agents?
    Z just signed a new HUGE contract.

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    What about Tayshaun Prince as the Bowen succesor
    hittin the whiskey hard today are we?

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    I think Cassell is worth a look, but what about Bobby Jackson as an economical backup plan?
    Cassell is terrific if we want to trade Tony. But after nearly leading an inexperienced team to the WCF, I don't think he's looking for a backup job.

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    Hey Kori sinceknow you have a lot of basketball knowledge could you possibly give us your input on what you think our lineup will look like next year? Thanks.

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    What about Tayshaun Prince as the Bowen succesor?

    I think Cassell is worth a look, but what about Bobby Jackson as an economical backup plan?

    How about big men Tim Thomas and Keith Van Horn? Neither should be too expensive.

    These guys are probably too expensive but you get them if you can: Stoyakovic, Al Harrington, Bonzi.

    What about Ilgauskas and Gooden with Cleveland, both potential free agents?
    You are insane.

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    Drew Gooden makes Nazr look like DRob on defense. Ole' doesn't even begin to cover it.

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    Spurs roster breakdown

    Web Posted: 05/24/2006 12:00 AM CDT
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    Bruce Bowen
    Contract status: two years, $7.9 million (2007-08 season not fully guaranteed)

    What he did: Defensive Player of Year runner-up for second season in a row. Ranked ninth in league in 3-point shooting. Improved at putting ball on floor when defenders close out. Started every game since Feb. 26, 2002.

    What's next: Turns 35 soon, but still one of league's top perimeter defenders. Will try out for U.S. national team this summer. Figures to begin next season as starting small forward. Team still needs to find heir apparent.
    According to Miss Bender, Quinton Ross' contract has a team option for 2008.

    I'm no salary cap expert, but based upon what I observed this past week, a deal involving (sign and trades perhaps) Radmanovic and QRoss for Nazr appeals to me.

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    According to Miss Bender, Quinton Ross' contract has a team option for 2008.

    I'm no salary cap expert, but based upon what I observed this past week, a deal involving (sign and trades perhaps) Radmanovic and QRoss for Nazr appeals to me.
    Why would it appeal to the Clippers? AFAIK, they love Ross.

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    How can they keep mentioning Chicago unless it's just wishful thinking? The ONLY way I see a S&T with Nazr/Chicago happening is if the Spurs took back Tyson Chandlers awful contract...The only way the Spurs even MIGHT consider that is if they got next years NY first round pick as a sweetener...and I don't see that happening...

    Cap experts, correct me if I am wrong here, but Chicago will be over 20 million under the cap this offseason. That means that they can take back more salary than they send out. If they wanted to, they could send the Spurs Deng for a S&T'd Nazr.

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    Cap experts, correct me if I am wrong here, but Chicago will be over 20 million under the cap this offseason. That means that they can take back more salary than they send out. If they wanted to, they could send the Spurs Deng for a S&T'd Nazr.
    Is Chicago THAT desperate for big?

    I assume Deng is not even an option for front-office maneuvers.

    Nocioni, perhaps?

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    Cap experts, correct me if I am wrong here, but Chicago will be over 20 million under the cap this offseason. That means that they can take back more salary than they send out. If they wanted to, they could send the Spurs Deng for a S&T'd Nazr.
    If they have 20 million in cap space, they can just sign Nazr outright.

    The only advantage to an S&T is that they could give him a 6-year deal, which really isn't that likely.

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    If they have 20 million in cap space, they can just sign Nazr outright.

    The only advantage to an S&T is that they could give him a 6-year deal, which really isn't that likely.

    I'm just saying it's possible. It wasn't a prediction. I'd be curious who Chicago would give up if they had to choose between Red Bull and Deng this summer, though.

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    Why would it appeal to the Clippers? AFAIK, they love Ross.
    Understandable, but roster issues might arise, with Maggette and Cuttino.

    Maybe the Spurs would overpay a bit for Q; maybe not.

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    tayshaun just signed a rather large extension in the last year, he's not going anywhere for a long time.

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    I'm just saying it's possible. It wasn't a prediction. I'd be curious who Chicago would give up if they had to choose between Red Bull and Deng this summer, though.
    Nocioni was a monster in the postseason.

    Push comes to shove, they trade Deng. But they want to get someone special back for him.

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