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    Rasho and Nazr are supposed to impose "their will" on the Mavs?!?

    It's a coaches job to put the players in a position to win games. Pop did that in Spades: Spurs had a chance to win every game of this series, except for game 2, which coincidentally starred the most minutes played by Nazr.

    In other words, you try to get Rasho and Nazr to impose anything on the Mavs, and the Spurs are down and out in Five.
    It's not just about Nazr and Rasho. It's about playing a certain style and having the belief that your style will be dominant and successful.

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    It's not just about Nazr and Rasho. It's about playing a certain style and having the belief that your style will be dominant and successful.

    OK, maybe I'm just an idiot, but what the are you talking about?

    How exactly was Pop supposed to impose his "style" of play on a deeper Mavs team?

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    OK, maybe I'm just an idiot, but what the are you talking about?

    How exactly was Pop supposed to impose his "style" of play on a deeper Mavs team?
    By sticking to his guns and instilling his team with the belief that they would eventually prevail using the same system that they built a 63-19 regular season record with.

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    By sticking to his guns and instilling his team with the belief that they would eventually prevail using the same system that they built a 63-19 regular season record with.

    This is such a bull excuse.

    Tlong, I know it's been awhile since the blazers have been in the playoffs, so I can excuse this point, but allow me to remind you that the playoffs aren't the same as the regular season.

    A coaches job is to get his players in a position to win every game. Pop failed in ONE game against the Mavs, and it cost us the Championship.

    So, yeah, maybe he should adjust after that game 2 blowout, just a thought.

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    This is such a bull excuse.

    Tlong, I know it's been awhile since the blazers have been in the playoffs, so I can excuse this point, but allow me to remind you that the playoffs aren't the same as the regular season.

    A coaches job is to get his players in a position to win every game. Pop failed in ONE game against the Mavs, and it cost us the Championship.

    So, yeah, maybe he should adjust after that game 2 blowout, just a thought.

    He adjusted before the game 2 blowout.

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    He adjusted before the game 2 blowout.
    When did he "adjust"? Before game 1?

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    When did he "adjust"? Before game 1?

    Between games 1 & 2 ... when the Spurs went from a victory to an ass-whoppin'. You don't see the correlation?

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    Spurs jsut got their asses beat in game 2. They were drained from the previous series and the first game of the second round.

    pop couldn't have made a big adjustment to cause taht outcome. There was no fuel for the boys that nite.

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    This is all still funny to me. Miami has centers that can punish you, whether offensively or defensively. What were Rasho and Nazr going to do against Dallas? Spurs fans seem to think that they'd make a huge contribution defensivley, but it would've created matchup problems with either Duncan or the center on Dirk or Howard. The same thing is happening with Damp in the Suns series. We want to play Damp/Diop, but Damp simply can't assert his will on the offensive end enough to overcome the severe mismatch it would cause on the defensive end. So he hasn't played since Game 1.

    If Miami makes it to the Finals against Dallas or Phoenix, Shaq will definitely play because he will dominate the middle and it will offset any defensive liability it causes. Mourning may or may not, because he is not a great defender anymore nor is he an offensive presence anymore.

    Detroit could play the Wallace boys against us because it would match-up against the Damp/Diop and Dirk frontline. Duncan is a great post defender, he is not a perimeter defender.

    As said previously, yall need a long, quick 3 with some offensive skill but a good defender as well (someone like Tayshaun Prince).
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    This is all still funny to me. Miami has centers that can punish you, whether offensively or defensively. What were Rasho and Nazr going to do against Dallas? Spurs fans seem to think that they'd make a huge contribution defensivley, but it would've created matchup problems with either Duncan or the center on Dirk or Howard. The same thing is happening with Damp in the Suns series. We want to play Damp/Diop, but Damp simply can't assert his will on the offensive end enough to overcome the severe mismatch it would cause on the defensive end. So he hasn't played since Game 1.
    And see? You're being CRUSHED because you adjusted your lineup and you should never, ever... oh wait. You're up 2-1. Nevermind.

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    And see? You're being CRUSHED because you adjusted your lineup and you should never, ever... oh wait. You're up 2-1. Nevermind.
    You weren't 'being crushed' in games 3-6, nor in the second half of Game 7 for that matter. If the Mavs end up losing in 7 against the Suns, it would be complete BS for Mavs fans to say we should have played Damp and that Avery is an idiot. Damp simply cannot help in this series, just like Nazr or Rasho.

    Why weren't Spurs fans complaining last year when the team abandoned there tempo and style of play to beat the Suns with scores between 110 and 130?? Because they won.

    Honestly, the Spurs were this close to advancing playing small ball BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. If yall had someone in the mold of Josh Howard or Tayshaun Prince on your team, you would have won. And this whole "Popovich sucks" "we can't play small ball and win" crap would be moot.

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    You weren't 'being crushed' in games 3-6, nor in the second half of Game 7 for that matter. If the Mavs end up losing in 7 against the Suns, it would be complete BS for Mavs fans to say we should have played Damp and that Avery is an idiot. Damp simply cannot help in this series, just like Nazr or Rasho.

    Why weren't Spurs fans complaining last year when the team abandoned there tempo and style of play to beat the Suns with scores between 110 and 130?? Because they won.

    Honestly, the Spurs were this close to advancing playing small ball BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. If yall had someone in the mold of Josh Howard or Tayshaun Prince on your team, you would have won. And this whole "Popovich sucks" "we can't play small ball and win" crap would be moot.

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    You weren't 'being crushed' in games 3-6, nor in the second half of Game 7 for that matter. If the Mavs end up losing in 7 against the Suns, it would be complete BS for Mavs fans to say we should have played Damp and that Avery is an idiot. Damp simply cannot help in this series, just like Nazr or Rasho.

    Why weren't Spurs fans complaining last year when the team abandoned there tempo and style of play to beat the Suns with scores between 110 and 130?? Because they won.

    Honestly, the Spurs were this close to advancing playing small ball BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. If yall had someone in the mold of Josh Howard or Tayshaun Prince on your team, you would have won. And this whole "Popovich sucks" "we can't play small ball and win" crap would be moot.
    The problem with your argument is that the Spurs don't have someone in the mold of Josh Howard or Tayshaun Prince. Why play small-ball when you don't have the personnel to succeed at it? The Spurs best chance at winning that series was to make Dallas adjust to them, not the other way around.

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    The problem with your argument is that the Spurs don't have someone in the mold of Josh Howard or Tayshaun Prince.
    Exactly, and thus the reason that they lost.

    Playing Rasho or Nazr... the Mavs would have won in 5 or 6. Sometimes the other team just has the pieces to win no matter what you do.

    Because you lost in Game 7 in OT makes you believe that the Spurs couldn't win with small ball? Looks like it worked in Games 5 and 6 (with a little help in 6 i must admit).

    Once again, if the Mavs lose to the Suns, I'm not going to sit here and complain about not playing Dampier or Diop (assuming the Suns figure out how to beat us with Diop in the lineup). We simply don't have an extremely mobile, shot blocking, perimeter defending big, like a Shawn Marion or Kevin Garnett. If we did, this series would be over tonight, but we don't.

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    Since when did Duncan play for the Heat?
    Since when did Rasho and Nazr?

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    Back to the original thrust of the discussion...

    You don't build your team's iden y for six years and an entire regular season in the seventh, throw it all out because you felt the need to panic about the opposition making a lineup change, and have good things happen.

    The whole point about having Rasho or Nazr in there is that it shuts down the lane and turns guys like Devin Harris into jump shooters.

    Damn, I can't remember the last time teams were scoring 60-70 points a night on us in the paint, but it happened damn near every game in the Dallas series with Bowen and Horry playing "power forward."

    Dance with what brung ya.

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    Playing Rasho or Nazr... the Mavs would have won in 5 or 6. Sometimes the other team just has the pieces to win no matter what you do.
    Bullfukkin .

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    Spurs jsut got their asses beat in game 2. They were drained from the previous series and the first game of the second round.

    pop couldn't have made a big adjustment to cause taht outcome. There was no fuel for the boys that nite.
    Are you pop's agent or something? WTF? You have more Pop excuses than Pop himself.

    Do you always walk around with a big L on your forehead? WTF?

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    How many of you think Diop is more athletic than Nazr or Rasho? Because Avery looks pretty damn smart right now playing him against the Suns to hold down the paint.

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    How many of you think Diop is more athletic than Nazr or Rasho? Because Avery looks pretty damn smart right now playing him against the Suns to hold down the paint.
    Diop played 7 minutes and dampier none, ummm what's your point? Dallas is going with small ball like in the past couple games.

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    Diop played 7 minutes and dampier none, ummm what's your point? Dallas is going with small ball like in the past couple games.
    Dallas has played Diop 30+ minutes in each of the last two games, and tonight's not over.

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    How many of you think Diop is more athletic than Nazr or Rasho? Because Avery looks pretty damn smart right now playing him against the Suns to hold down the paint.
    I think even Ostertag is more athletic than Rasho.

    Nazr got benched due to his cripping mistakes.

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    How many of you think Diop is more athletic than Nazr or Rasho? Because Avery looks pretty damn smart right now playing him against the Suns to hold down the paint.
    The Suns don't have a frontcourt presence currently, he's sitting on the stands recovering from injury.

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    Back to the original thrust of the discussion...

    You don't build your team's iden y for six years and an entire regular season in the seventh, throw it all out because you felt the need to panic about the opposition making a lineup change, and have good things happen.

    The whole point about having Rasho or Nazr in there is that it shuts down the lane and turns guys like Devin Harris into jump shooters.

    Damn, I can't remember the last time teams were scoring 60-70 points a night on us in the paint, but it happened damn near every game in the Dallas series with Bowen and Horry playing "power forward."

    Dance with what brung ya.
    this is the truth.


    plus with rasho and nazr on the flor you add rebound power.

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