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    and he can't hold on to a pass to save his life.

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    he's out there to rebound. he can't rotate, block shots, or defend in general. if he could do any of those things, he would have earned some playing time. he was benched because his defense blows.
    He's not as quick rotating adn helping as we'd like him to be, but he's not as bad as you make him out to be either. He's a decent long big.

    But yes, he can't hold on to a pass for .

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    Nowitski might have been the reason for Pop going to the small ball, but it was their guards that found lay-up heaven throughout the series. Especially when Tim was on the bench, a gimpy Manu, a gimpy Tony and an old Van Exel couldn't stay in front of anyone. The Spurs defense has always been programed to lead people to the baseline and to have one of the bigs back up the perimeter defense with shot blocking and position defense. The mavs were continually going down the middle on everyone including Duncan, who more often than not even when he would make people miss would give up offensive rebounds. I go back to what Darrel Royal used to say, "you dance with the one who brung you." The Spurs defense brung us 3 les and either the best defense or one of the best defenses year after year, then just to give up on it because some kid gets by Tony and Van Exel is something I just can't understand. In years past Pop would have cussed out both Tony and Van Exel, both got a pass, he did however jump all over Bruce and Manu for their mental mistakes throughout the playoff run. I believe Tony leg injuries slowed him down and obviously Nick was done, but Pop stuck with him sink or swim. We sank.

    Anyway I still love my Spurs and I am even more excited about next year because I'm hoping that Tony will only get better and that Manu will get back to his 2005 excellence. Tim sure looked good, he reminded me of the 2003 TD.

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    Nowitski might have been the reason for Pop going to the small ball, but it was their guards that found lay-up heaven throughout the series. Especially when Tim was on the bench, a gimpy Manu, a gimpy Tony and an old Van Exel couldn't stay in front of anyone. The Spurs defense has always been programed to lead people to the baseline and to have one of the bigs back up the perimeter defense with shot blocking and position defense. The mavs were continually going down the middle on everyone including Duncan, who more often than not even when he would make people miss would give up offensive rebounds. I go back to what Darrel Royal used to say, "you dance with the one who brung you." The Spurs defense brung us 3 les and either the best defense or one of the best defenses year after year, then just to give up on it because some kid gets by Tony and Van Exel is something I just can't understand. In years past Pop would have cussed out both Tony and Van Exel, both got a pass, he did however jump all over Bruce and Manu for their mental mistakes throughout the playoff run. I believe Tony leg injuries slowed him down and obviously Nick was done, but Pop stuck with him sink or swim. We sank.

    Anyway I still love my Spurs and I am even more excited about next year because I'm hoping that Tony will only get better and that Manu will get back to his 2005 excellence. Tim sure looked good, he reminded me of the 2003 TD.
    Finding "layup heaven" might have to do with Duncan being the only big. He can't play help defense on both sides of the court all the time. We definately would have stuck with the ugly that we came to the dance with, dammit!

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    He's not as quick rotating adn helping as we'd like him to be, but he's not as bad as you make him out to be either. He's a decent long big.

    But yes, he can't hold on to a pass for .
    He's as bad as he's making him out to be. Nazr is probably the worst defender on the team. He misses almost all his rotations, was horrible at helping, after a year and a half couldn't figure out where to be, and was constantly in everyone's way. With Nazr on the court, Bowen and Manu spent a lot of energy on the court just yelling at him on defense, and Tony, Manu, and Tim spent a lot of time yelling at him on offense.

    Nazr was horrible this season for the Spurs.

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    Dallas has so many good outside shooters and they lift everyone to the perimeter, including Dirk and Diop/Dampier. They opened the floor and ran high screens off that to create better one-on-one scenarios The Spurs tried to zone up and keep their bigs in but the Mavs either hit from the outside or moved the zone around by passing it around the perimeter and then penetrated to the middle seams, particularly with Josh Howard, for short jumpers in the lane (which Dallas seemed to never miss on).

    The only way to do what PDBM and pjjrfan and Sequ and AHF and others have said is to play a hybrid, sagging zone. I just got the impression in watching the Spurs try it a few times, that it did not work 90% of the time.

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    He's as bad as he's making him out to be. Nazr is probably the worst defender on the team. He misses almost all his rotations, was horrible at helping, after a year and a half couldn't figure out where to be, and was constantly in everyone's way. With Nazr on the court, Bowen and Manu spent a lot of energy on the court just yelling at him on defense, and Tony, Manu, and Tim spent a lot of time yelling at him on offense.

    Nazr was horrible this season for the Spurs.
    When he man'd up last year in the playoffs, we sung his praises.

    How'd he forget to play defense? I think it had more to do with him getting back in the lineup and getting adjusted this year b/c of his personal family problems. He's a good shot blocker, I think...well I hope...he learns his rotations.



    He's probbaly our most physical inside player. On defense and offense.

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    He was never good defensively. He just did enough to get by on D in the 2005 playoffs. Everyone (within the Spurs) thought he'd improve the following year. Instead he regressed I think it just comes down to him not being smart. Because it seems that he can't even remember the basics.

    I like his rebounding and his physicality at times. But that's not enough to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer.

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    When he man'd up last year in the playoffs, we sung his praises.

    How'd he forget to play defense? I think it had more to do with him getting back in the lineup and getting adjusted this year b/c of his personal family problems. He's a good shot blocker, I think...well I hope...he learns his rotations.



    He's probbaly our most physical inside player. On defense and offense.
    if you think being physical is pump faking and getting blocked. he does do a decent job on offensive boards - well, at least he did in late 05. not this year for sure.

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    Vegas needs to look into creating a line for the over/under on Oberto's vertical game to game.

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    He's probably our most physical inside player. On defense...
    I guess this is one of those things that people think that if they keep repeating it, then it will be true. I never once saw Nazr in a Spurs uniform commit a hard foul on anyone.

    As for blocks, it might surprise some people to know that Tim and Rasho tied this season in blocks per 48 minutes in the NBA at #10 (2.79). Nazr's not even close to that.

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    1. Small gave you 4 scorers on the court instead of 3.
    2. Small ball gave you 3 3 point shooters instead of 2.
    3. Small ball made Howard have to play more defense instead of resting on Bowen.
    4. Small ball was the best chance that the spurs had against guarding Dirk and Howard.

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    I guess this is one of those things that people think that if they keep repeating it, then it will be true. I never once saw Nazr in a Spurs uniform commit a hard foul on anyone.

    As for blocks, it might surprise some people to know that Tim and Rasho tied this season in blocks per 48 minutes in the NBA at #10 (2.79). Nazr's not even close to that.
    He wouldn't be bullied.

    He planted more than a few elbows into peoples grills. One hard foul that comes to mind is the one he put on Mutombo when Deek kept trying to get physical with Nazr.

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    TD could have guarded Stack/Quis/Horn/Griffen, whichever one of them was on the floor like he did against Q. All of them except Horn are non-scoring threats. Yes, I know Stack likes to think he's an offensive star, but him being the focal point of the Mavs O and shooting his dismal 27% treys, and ruining any flow in the offense would have been perfect for the Spurs.
    Small ball was a panic reaction to a couple of poor minutes played by Rasho/Nazr starting in the Sac series.

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    One hard foul that comes to mind is the one he put on Mutombo when Deek kept trying to get physical with Nazr.
    You mean the technical that got him put back on the bench in Houston? Not the same thing at all.

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    You mean the technical that got him put back on the bench in Houston? Not the same thing at all.
    He didn't get the technical for having his thumb up his butt.

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    Nazr Mohammed played only 17 minutes in the close-out game and Rasho was a DNP. Spurs played small-ball. The more Stephen Hunter played the more Nazr played, the less Hunter played, the less Nazr played. Spurs played small with the Suns but got the stops when they needed to.
    Nazr played as many minutes vs Phx as he did in all the other 2005 Champ playoff series. In fact in the 111-108 barnburner he played 28 minutes and played great D, 3 steals and a couple blocks, several of those coming in a one minute stretch.

    I do hear you that Phxs D is not what Dallas is.

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