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    I think you spend the money to cover that position and forget it.
    But you can't spend this money for other needs, the Luxury tax threshold is a kind of hard cap for Spurs. You can blame Cheap Holt for that but it's a fact we can't forget when we speak about the offseason.
    Spending $14M (and $18M in 2010) for the PG spot is a lot.

    Claxton will be a great backup PG but I think we have bigger need. A solution Udrih + a player like Pargo, Palacio, Vaughn is enough for me.

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    , you shut down Speedy the same way you shut down Parker.

    The only reason he excelled against the Nets is because they didn't bother to.
    Speedy has a somewhat consistent mid-range jumper...of the Avery Johnsons mold.

    The difference between him and TP to me is just his will to win. He doesn't seem to cave/fold/choke as easily, but that's my opinion from his one year here playing limited minutes off the bench.

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    But you can't spend this money for other needs, the Luxury tax threshold is a kind of hard cap for Spurs. You can blame Cheap Holt for that but it's a fact we can't forget when we speak about the offseason.
    Spending $14M (and $18M in 2010) for the PG spot is a lot.

    Claxton will be a great backup PG but I think we have bigger need. A solution Udrih + a player like Pargo, Palacio, Vaughn is enough for me.
    Then you need to add more firepower elsewhere in the perimeter rotation.

    If you have a solid penetrating point guard tandem then you can get by with less in the swingman rotation.

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    Speedy has a somewhat consistent mid-range jumper...of the Avery Johnsons mold.

    The difference between him and TP to me is just his will to win. He doesn't seem to cave/fold/choke as easily, but that's my opinion from his one year here playing limited minutes off the bench.

    Damn, one quarter after the Nets changed their defense to shut down Parker does not make Claxton a better player or compe or.

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    But you can't spend this money for other needs, the Luxury tax threshold is a kind of hard cap for Spurs. You can blame Cheap Holt for that but it's a fact we can't forget when we speak about the offseason.
    Spending $14M (and $18M in 2010) for the PG spot is a lot.

    Claxton will be a great backup PG but I think we have bigger need. A solution Udrih + a player like Pargo, Palacio, Vaughn is enough for me.
    You're paying for rotation minutes. If you can play Claxton at the PG for 15 minutes and at SG for 10 minutes and he's an impact player, not just a placeholder, he's worth the money. Biggest question is his frailty.

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    Then you need to add more firepower elsewhere in the perimeter rotation.

    If you have a solid penetrating point guard tandem then you can get by with less in the swingman rotation.
    Agree, you can't spend money at every positon.
    I've read that you are high on Jax too, would you take Jax or Claxton ? Taking both is likely too expensive.

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    Damn, one quarter after the Nets changed their defense to shut down Parker does not make Claxton a better player or compe or.
    Has any other point guard we've had come in and done what Speedy did for us once the other team "changed there defense to shut down TP"?

    If we can overpay Rasho and Malik then god dammit give Speedy 5 mill a year.

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    Agree, you can't spend money at every positon.
    I've read that you are high on Jax too, would you take Jax or Claxton ? Taking both is likely too expensive.
    We would love Jax.

    But we'd have to pay more, and he wouldn't want to come off the bench. That is part of why he left here, and after a taste of starting in Atlanta and Indiana I doubt he takes a backup role easily now.

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    You're paying for rotation minutes. If you can play Claxton at the PG for 15 minutes and at SG for 10 minutes and he's an impact player, not just a placeholder, he's worth the money. Biggest question is his frailty.
    Biggest question is : can you play with Parker/Claxton 10mpg against most of the team ?
    I fear that the opposite SG owned Parker or Claxton. On the other end of the court, the opposite team can lock the paint, Claxton and Parker aren't great jumsphooters.

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    Biggest question is : can you play with Parker/Claxton 10mpg against most of the team ?
    I fear that the opposite SG owned Parker or Claxton. On the other end of the court, the opposite team can lock the paint, Claxton and Parker aren't great jumsphooters.
    Claxton has a nice mid-range jumper.

    I don't see why they wouldn't play them alongside each other at times. Especially when Phoenix/Dallas go to there small back courts with nash/barbosa and terry/harris. And against other teams we can present the same problems the suns/mavs present to us.


    Claxton is also an underrated defender, he can guard 2's similar to how Barbosa does for Phoenix.

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    Has any other point guard we've had come in and done what Speedy did for us once the other team "changed there defense to shut down TP"?
    06-07 Parker >>>>> 02-03 Parker

    If we can overpay Rasho and Malik then god dammit give Speedy 5 mill a year.

    I'm stunned with your reasoning.

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    Why do spur fans always want to get back ex players? Don't you also want Malik Rose back? Let it go, Claxton is gone.

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    Biggest question is : can you play with Parker/Claxton 10mpg against most of the team ?
    I fear that the opposite SG owned Parker or Claxton. On the other end of the court, the opposite team can lock the paint, Claxton and Parker aren't great jumsphooters.
    Good post. Claxton is not a good perimeter shooter.

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    Claxton has a nice mid-range jumper.
    False. Claxton is at 36.23% (75/207) this year concerning midrange jumper (between 17ft and the three point line).

    I don't see why they wouldn't play them alongside each other at times. Especially when Phoenix/Dallas go to there small back courts with nash/barbosa and terry/harris.
    That's two team and they can decide to play with a big SG when we use a Parker/Claxton backcourt.

    And against other teams we can present the same problems the suns/mavs present to us.
    See my pevious post on closing the paint.

    Claxton is also an underrated defender, he can guard 2's similar to how Barbosa does for Phoenix.
    Claxton is 5'11", Barboso is 6'3".

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    06-07 Parker >>>>> 02-03 Parker




    I'm stunned with your reasoning.
    I hope so. But nice to have an insurance policy.





    Thanks. I thought of it all by myself.

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    False. Claxton is at 36.23% (75/207) this year concerning midrange jumper (between 17ft and the three point line).
    The ?

    Where does one go about finding a stat for mid-range jumpers exclusively? If you have such a stat machine, please do me a favor and look TP's stats the past few years from about 15 feet and out.

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    You can definately play TP and Speedy together. You might think it's going to be a huge liability, but it will actually give the other team a speed disadvantage. They won't be able to match quickness. Thats what happened when Chris Paul and Speedy played together.

    Defenses will try to go zone to prevent slashing. To prevent this the team just has to put some shooters on the floor. Play Finley at the 3 and Bonner at the 4 and you're set. If the defense plays zone they leave the floor open to 3s.

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    Claxton's FG percentage is going to be really low this season. The Hornets were somewhere like 29th in the league in FG percentage. With no outside shooting defenses would collapse on the slashing guards. Without an alternative either in the low post or outside shooting, Speedy and Chris Paul were forced to provide scoring, no matter how difficult a shot.

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    Biggest question is : can you play with Parker/Claxton 10mpg against most of the team ?
    I fear that the opposite SG owned Parker or Claxton. On the other end of the court, the opposite team can lock the paint, Claxton and Parker aren't great jumsphooters.
    Claxton is a pretty solid defender, better than Parker. When he and Paul play together it's usually Claxtgon that matches up defensively against the other teams SG.

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    Where does one go about finding a stat for mid-range jumpers exclusively? If you have such a stat machine, please do me a favor and look TP's stats the past few years from about 15 feet and out.
    Parker is at 41.09% (136/331) this year concerning midrange jumper (between 17ft and the three point line).

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    What about Bobby Jackson? His game is very similar to Speedy's but hes a much more reliable 3 point shooter. Also, he'll undoubtedly be a cheaper option.

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    Agree, you can't spend money at every positon.
    I've read that you are high on Jax too, would you take Jax or Claxton ? Taking both is likely too expensive.
    With the contracts of Rose and Nesterovic gone, the Spurs have removed $38 million in salary commitments from 2006-09. If you include Barry in a trade then that's $11 million over the next 2 years that you do not have to add to your payroll if you should acquire a free agent using Barry in a sign and trade. That's close to $50 million that's been freed up over 3 years. OK, so you say it's unreasonable to expect the Spurs to spend that much, well how about $30? $35?

    At what point do we stop believing in the luxury tax boogeyman?

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    With the contracts of Rose and Nesterovic gone, the Spurs have removed $38 million in salary commitments from 2006-09. If you include Barry in a trade then that's $11 million over the next 2 years that you do not have to add to your payroll if you should acquire a free agent using Barry in a sign and trade. That's close to $50 million that's been freed up over 3 years. OK, so you say it's unreasonable to expect the Spurs to spend that much, well how about $30? $35?

    At what point do we stop believing in the luxury tax boogeyman?
    Take a look at Parker and Ginobili's contracts. They will continue to get bigger and bigger until they expire. They have to clear the space.

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    Parker is at 41.09% (136/331) this year concerning midrange jumper (between 17ft and the three point line).
    Where are you getting this from?

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    Take a look at Parker and Ginobili's contracts. They will continue to get bigger and bigger until they expire. They have to clear the space.
    Quick question: what other contracts are there from 2007-10?

    Lame excuse.

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