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Does anyone want to go into the season with all the back up the SPurs PG eggs in Beno's basket?
There needs to be a mutual committment here. If we're going to see what Beno really has to offer, he needs to be given the minutes. If Pop is still uncertain enough that he brings someone else in to play backup, we should just try and trade Beno. If Pop opts to bring in a third string PG and gives Beno the shot at backup, Beno needs to seriously bring it.
Does anyone want to go into the season with all the back up the SPurs PG eggs in Beno's basket?
What's the alternative? Blow the MLE on a point and then hope they can improve the team's other spots with the LLE and minimum contracts?
Don't know what the alterantive is now but every PG that won't be getting much better than a minimum contract is going to be looking at SA and seeing potential minutes on a high caliber team same. Spurs can probably get near pick of the litter of PGs that are not in the first tier or getting a reasonably substantial contract offer for a lesser offer than what it will take for many other teams to attract those players.
pop sees beno practice I am sure he knws what he can do
he is not 100% sold on him like most spur fans
Who are those guys?
My scenario for the backup PG spot :
- Give confidence to beno : that what he needs. Pop should say him that he is the backup PG at the start of the season.
- Sign to the min a solid 3rd string PG who can be a solid backup if Beno chokes but who isn't talented enough to threaten Beno's spot.
Some names for the 3rd PG : Vaughn, Pargo, McLeod, Ivey, Hart, Norris, Wilks, Palacio. They are solid ballahndler and good defender.
I sort of agree to this, but I don't think Pop should tell him that he is the backup PG at the start. He has to earn it in training camp. No Spur is guaranteed a starting spot or a certain amount of minutes. So Pop doesn't need to coddle Beno and tell him that he is assured the backup PG role.
However, I do think that we will be fine if the pickup one of the players that you listed above and have them battle it out with Beno for the backup spot.
I think getting a young, athletic forward and figuring out what to do with the bigs is more pressing than going out and spending a lot of money on a backup PG. However I'm not sure that Pop agrees .. he has said that taking care of the point guard depth is a top priority.
If I knew I'd ask for Buford's or Presti's job.
Take your pick. Go naked with Beno. See what is left availbale for minimum or a little more, maybe LLE. Spend more money than that on a backup PG, money you could use addressing other needs. Hope you can pick up one in a trade say for Barry, rights to Scola, whatever. Those are your options.
You said "What's the alternative? Blow the MLE on a point and then hope they can improve the team's other spots with the LLE and minimum contracts?" so I guess you don't want to go the spend for aback up route.
Does this mean you want to go with Parker and Beno?
Kori I heard two signals from Pop about the priority, 1) geting a backup PG and 2) getting a McKey type player.
The Spurs have holes to fill and not that much money to do so. They may be trapped into praying that Beno can do the job as backup point guard. A trade for a veteran would be nice. I just don't see them using part of the MLE, when getting a long three or a quick four is a much bigger need.
Beno has good natural skill. Now he just needs to get in shape and get tougher. There's no excuse for being the fattest point guard in the league. If Beno can slim down and play with an edge next season, the Spurs are fine.
I want Pargo as a third point guard, though. Also wouldn't mind someone like Andre Barrett or Will Bynum.
I agree. A point guard rotation of Parker, Beno, and vet minimum player would suffice. In a perfect world, the Spurs bring in the best available backup. But there are other needs.
Your swing rotation consists of four small-ish players, and only one isn't well into his 30s. The Spurs got killed here again this season defensively because they didn't have enough size. I also worry about the level of athleticism at the swing positions. A lack of athleticism there has killed the Spurs in past years. Adding a young-ish, athletic small forward with some size needs to be a priority over securing a backup point guard.
There are also problems up front. The Spurs currently have Duncan and Rasho to rely on. Beyond that, everything is uncertain. An athletic big man with some size would give the Spurs some flexibility (use Rasho for defense and against bigger players, use an athletic big against smaller teams), and the team will need to invest some money to make it happen.
To me, the Spurs could have a very successful offseason by simply using their resources (money and trade) to acquire a long-ish, young-ish small forward and an athletic big man. It's going to be tough to get two quality players in who can fill these roles, but I think it could be possible.
The Spurs can again explore trading Barry and can look at the financial ramifications of a sign-and-trade with Nazr if he and another team are interested (maybe not feasible, but certainly worth exploring). I would rather see the team explore these and other possibilities (the rights to Scola, for example) to acquire one of the two needed quality players and use the full MLE on another player.
Fill out the roster with a vet minimum point guard, a player like Javtokas, and maybe another project.
PG - Tony, Beno, vet minimum player
SG/SF - Mike, Bruce, Manu, long-ish three
PF/C - Tim, Oh Boy, Rasho, athletic big, Javtokas
you spelt it wrong...it should have been NVE is re ed or plays re ed or re s the offense when he on the court. The biggest problem is that Beno's development was postponed by one year because of the HITA NVE.
People always tend to over react to the Spurs pissing away 3 games. If Beno would have played in all three of those games instead of NVE, the Spurs would have won at least one of those games.
Beno has one season left with Spurs and for the season 2007/08 there is team option. When is the deadline for Spurs to use/not-use their option?
What are the rules behind?
They must pick up the option this summer.
- If they don't pick the option this year : Beno will be an UFA at the end of the year and Spurs won't even have Bird Rights on him to pay him more than what he should have earned during the 4th year on his rookie deal.
- if they pick up the option : Beno will be a RFA during the 2008 summer.
So I think it will be clear after training camp. If Beno will earn back-up spot in Pop's eyes, he will get an extension before season start. Without extension he will be benchwarmer, most possibly traded before February deadline.
For the exact date:
They have until the October 31 preceding the player's third season to exercise their option for the player's fourth season.
Not picking the team option for the fourth year when it's quite cheap ($1.7M for Beno) means that the team has given up on the player.
Last example of that are Marcus Banks with Boston (traded) and Ebi with Minny (waived).
I agree with the people who've said Pargo -- I think he's the best guy out there for cheap. As far as I'm concerned, let him and Beno fight it out at camp.
Edited to add: if Beno wins the job in camp, pick up his option.
Sounds like CIA pop to me. Beno and Brent would be adequate backup PG depth and known quan ies. Not anything great, but not bad either. Beno's minutes were reduced but his efficiency per minute this past year was a little bit higher (from 0.382 to 0.416). If we discount garbage minutes, then he played about as well despite the lack of playing time.I think getting a young, athletic forward and figuring out what to do with the bigs is more pressing than going out and spending a lot of money on a backup PG. However I'm not sure that Pop agrees .. he has said that taking care of the point guard depth is a top priority.
It usually takes time and patience to become a decent NBA PG. With the overrated NVE this year (0.315 efficiency/minute), Beno got demoted. I think with more quality minutes, Beno would be good enough.
Compare Beno's turnover ratio with Parker's. I'm talking about adjusting the numbers to account for the vast difference in minutes played by Beno and Parker, which naturally must be done. When you finish, you find it is not Beno but Pin Head Parker is the one you should be wishing to unload. Parker and Ginobili, Mr and Mrs TURNOVER!! No tag-team in the NBA throws the ball away like these two jerks. And you people on here thing SAS should get rid of Beno? Beno is doing the Spurs a favor sticking around. He ought to tell Peter Hold to stick the spurs up his butt and go back to Europe and play and have fun in the process. But like most people, I guess Beno is addicted to the big paychecks, but you guys are really off your noodle to suggest getting rid of Beno. I don't think you know your game very well.
if we had better options at the backup pg spot there would be a lot more minutes for backup pg. problem is, we don't have anyone to spell tony without costing us on both ends of the floor.
that's all well and good, but tony more than makes up for his turnovers.
I say keep Beno as a 3rd string player maybe.
He's cheap.
True- but it hasn't really seemed to matter who we used- Speedy, Beno, NVE. The past 4 seasons Tony has averaged 33.8; 34.4; 34.2; 33.9 minutes per game.
Right now you go with Udrih as your backup point and sign someone to be the 3rd point. There's not really anyone out there who would be a definitive backup that you could sign for the minimum. I'd really rather see the team address other areas of need before the backup point. If need be, you can go to Manu bringing the ball upcourt if Beno struggles again in the postseason. Then you use your MLE on a backup.
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