Trading Tony Parker (hypothetical)

[SPARKY]

O.K. I guess we see things differently!

Parker position (PG) calls for him to create shots for his teammates, he's not a (SG)

When there's an open shot sure he's gonna score. I have no problems with him scoring points. but he should also be leading in assists every night out!

Spurs Basketball has not been about having a distributing point guard running the show since about the late 90s.

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spurs usually make the extra pass
I will tell pop he can not throw it to duncan because they double team him and then td throws it to the open man for the basket because you want tp to get the assist

[Rescueone]

I can't believe that anyone would call out Parker for the way he played in these playoffs. He was great for the Spurs all the way through and would have been better if he hadn't been so beat up. He's found a consistent jumpshot that will only improve. Among true point guards, he's among the best scorers and maybe the most difficult guy to defend. Those things will only improve as his jump shot finds that consistency. He's 24 years old and he's played a crucial role in two championships with some monsterous playoff performances to his credit.

I'm also baffled by the thought that anyone would be satisfied with Speedy Claxton as a starting point guard in this city. The memories of one 4th Quarter somehow overcome any real rational thought -- it's funny how when Spurs fans swoon about Speedy, nobody ever mentions that it was Speedy's total ineffectiveness in Game 6 of the 2003 WCF that resulted in Steve Kerr seeing the floor at all in that game. I don't intend to throw Speedy Claxton under the bus; it would be great if there was some way for the Spurs to reacquire him. But the willingness of some to who want to cast Tony Parker aside in favor of Speedy Claxton is mind-boggling to me.

I don't think we should trade the dude. That's a givin. I just thought he shot way too much in the Dallas series for the team to be successful. And it showed.

I'd wouldn't go after Speedy, I think he would eat up too much of the MLE and he wouldn't get a young athletic 3 this team really needs in the WC. A better off season move would be to readdress the NO trade with JR Smith in the mix.

[Rescueone]

spurs usually make the extra pass
I will tell pop he can not throw it to duncan because they double team him and then td throws it to the open man for the basket because you want tp to get the assist

O.K Duck you do that

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I just put a name out there.

I'm referring to his game and not health.

You can't get one without the other.

[Kori Ellis]

Rescueone - Pop told Tony to shoot AT LEAST 25 times a game in the Dallas series. When I asked Pop a question about Tony's shooting after one of the early games of the series, he said that Tony needed to shoot even more, not less.

If you have a problem with the gameplan, then blame Pop not Tony.

PDBM - You have repeatedly said that Tony faded in these playoffs. Tony averaged 21 ppg in the postseason, including 20 ppg vs the Mavs. He only had one bad game vs the Mavs with 12 points. To say he faded is just ing stupid. He was playing with 2 badly bruised thighs and a bad groin pull.

Another people don't get about Tony is that the Spurs game plan is to run the ball through MANU in the 4th quarters. So if Tony doesn't get a lot of points in the 4th, that's because of the system, not because of Tony.

If anyone faded in these playoffs, I guess it was Manu considering that he turned over the ball in several critical situations and when Pop screamed NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL in the huddle in Game 7, Manu fouled.

I know y'all hate Tony but it's really stupid.

Tony didn't cost the Spurs the series. If it wasn't for Tony, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten to 7.

Rebounding and Defense caused the Spurs the series.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Wow, Pop is really stupid.

[Dartherus]

To the ones saying that Parker just followed Pop instructions to shoot a lot...let me ask you something...

Do you think that Pop in a very explicit way told Tony "take 25 or more shots per night, and shoot NO MATTER IF THERE'S A WIDE OPEN TEAMMATE"....do you think Pop told Tony that?

Other question, do you think it's possible that Pop has parker taking to many shots because he knows that when Parker is not scoring, he's pretty much useless in offense? due that he's too one-dimensional, and not like Tim and Manu, that can contribute in offense with a lot more of resources or skills when they're not scoring?

[Kori Ellis]

To the ones saying that Parker just followed Pop instructions to shoot a lot...let me ask you something...

Do you think that Pop in a very explicit way told Tony "take 25 or more shots per night, and shoot NO MATTER IF THERE'S A WIDE OPEN TEAMMATE"....do you think Pop told Tony that?

Other question, do you think it's possible that Pop has parker taking to many shots because he knows that when Parker is not scoring, he's pretty much useless in offense? due that he's too one-dimensional, and not like Tim and Manu, that can contribute in offense with a lot more of resources or skills when they're not scoring?

Parker wasn't missing all his wide open teammates.

Pop asked Tony to shoot a lot because the Mavs were sagging and they were trying to beat their defense.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Rescueone - Pop told Tony to shoot AT LEAST 25 times a game in the Dallas series. When I asked Pop a question about Tony's shooting after one of the early games of the series, he said that Tony needed to shoot even more, not less.

If you have a problem with the gameplan, then blame Pop not Tony.

PDBM - You have repeatedly said that Tony faded in these playoffs. Tony averaged 21 ppg in the postseason, including 20 ppg vs the Mavs. He only had one bad game vs the Mavs with 12 points. To say he faded is just ing stupid. He was playing with 2 badly bruised thighs and a bad groin pull.

Another people don't get about Tony is that the Spurs game plan is to run the ball through MANU in the 4th quarters. So if Tony doesn't get a lot of points in the 4th, that's because of the system, not because of Tony.

If anyone faded in these playoffs, I guess it was Manu considering that he turned over the ball in several critical situations and when Pop screamed NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL in the huddle in Game 7, Manu fouled.

I know y'all hate Tony but it's really stupid.

Tony didn't cost the Spurs the series. If it wasn't for Tony, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten to 7.

Rebounding and Defense caused the Spurs the series.

I don't think Manu Faded in the playoff at all. His foul was a very HUGE MISTAKE, but that doesn't erase the wins he got for us in games 1, 5, and 6. Just the Three he made with 36 seconds left. IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING and UNFORTUNATE, but there was still game to be played it was almost as bad as the Rasheed up, but not quite because we had a lot of time to make the final basket and there was still OT unlike the Pistons.

Anyway I think you should follow your own advice and not try to prop up and defend Tony at the expense of Manu or any other player. It's stupid to blame one player for the series.

Besides I think the complaints about Tony's jumpshots are legit. Pop may have said "I thought he should shoot more! " to a reporter like yourself. But I thnk that's just Pop saving face and not taking the bait to go ,"Oh I thought he should have curbed it a little" and criticize him for making mental mistakes by passing up his teammates shots that's between him and Tony. Anyone with half a brain knows telling a player to shoot more than 25 when they don't have a reliable Jumper like a Kobe or Iverson is just plain stupid. If Kobe shooting more than 25 hurts the team with all his offensive talents >>> than TONY Parker. Wanting Tony to shoot more when it clearly had Mavs taking advantage of that, disrupts the tempo and squanders possessions--and it SHOWED. Pop isn't a Phil Jackson or Pat Riley yet, but I doubt he'd be THAT STUPID.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway I think you should follow your own advice and not try to prop up and defend Tony at the expense of Manu or any other player. It's stupid to blame one player for the series.

Umm.. I don't blame Manu. I think Manu was ing awesome. I was the one telling people not to blame him for the foul/turnovers because if it wasn't for him they wouldn't be in those games. In my prior post in this thread, I was being sarcastic in regards to Manu to make a point (that no one player should be blamed). Thus this emoticon .

[Kori Ellis]

Pop may have said "I thought he should shoot more! " to a reporter like yourself. But I thnk that's just Pop saving face and not taking the bait to go ,"Oh I thought he should have curbed it a little"

He actually said that very early in the series to me (after Game 1?) and repeated it over and over in the series to Tony. It wasn't saving face. That was his game plan.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Umm.. I don't blame Manu. I think Manu was ing awesome. I was the one telling people not to blame him for the foul/turnovers because if it wasn't for him they wouldn't be in those game. In my prior post in this thread, I was being sarcastic in regards to Manu to prove a point. Thus this emoticon .

I'm sorry. I thought you were rolling eyes at the No FOUL comments that Pop gave. The only thing I do give credence to is that Pop was right to swear when Manu fouled.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

He actually said that very early in the series to me (after Game 1?) and repeated it over and over in the series to Tony. It wasn't saving face. That was his game plan.

I don't know about Pop sometimes, then . I hope he meant layups.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know about Pop sometimes, then . I hope he meant layups.

Well obviously he wanted Tony to get to the rack when he could because he's one of the best in the league in the paint, but asking him to shoot more was about him taking jumpshots. After the all-star break, Tony hit 46% of his jumpers outside 15 feet. So when the Mavs were sagging off him, Pop wanted him to shoot some J's. Tony's form on his jumper is much improved. He didn't shoot (% wise) well against the Mavs but a lot of that had to do with the fact that he had no lift for a few games.

My point of posting in this thread though was just for the thread starter who has repeatedly said in several threads that Tony "faded" badly again in the playoffs, which I don't think is the case at all.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Well obviously he wanted Tony to get to the rack when he could because he's one of the best in the league in the paint, but asking him to shoot more was about him taking jumpshots. After the all-star break, Tony hit 46% of his jumpers outside 15 feet. So when the Mavs were sagging off him, Pop wanted him to shoot some J's. Tony's form on his jumper is much improved. He didn't shoot (% wise) well against the Mavs but a lot of that had to do with the fact that he had no lift for a few games.

My point of posting in this thread though was just for the thread starter who has repeatedly said in several threads that Tony "faded" badly again in the playoffs, which I don't think is the case at all.

I know Parker tried despite injuries, but I really think Pop made a mistake by insisting confidence in Tony to make them when they clearly weren't there NOW as far as that series went. I guess Pop still has a lot to learn to correct some minor decision making that carries over into playoff success. He doesn't change it up nearly enough I noticed. It's the same every time, Parker gets us going in the 1st, Duncan carries us as well in the 1st, 2nd half. Manu gets the first half of the 3rd to stretch a lead with his offense. Manu seals it in the 4th. Blah blah. Ever think of going to Parker in game 3 of the Kings in the 4th quarter when Manu had 7 TO's?? Going to Manu in one of the series games to get the Spurs off in the 1st quarter? Going to Manu in OT instead of a clearly exhausted Duncan in game 7? Having Barry shoot more in a game who's been previously the highest percentage jumpshooter in the playoffs????

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I agree I think pop should mix it up some

tp needs to score first that opens other players up
duncan usually gets 2 tp and duncan get 3 then manu in 4 with duncan


but if manu or duncan are out or have foul trouble tp is not used to being the go to go late in the game

mix it up during the season a little but
when manu fouled out in 4 it hurt in the playoffs becuase they usually go to him and no one else was mentaled prepared to take his place becuase they were not used to it.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I agree I think pop should mix it up some

tp needs to score first that opens other players up
duncan usually gets 2 tp and duncan get 3 then manu in 4 with duncan


but if manu or duncan are out or have foul trouble tp is not used to being the go to go late in the game

mix it up during the season a little but
when manu fouled out in 4 it hurt in the playoffs becuase they usually go to him and no one else was mentaled prepared to take his place becuase they were not used to it.

yeah, Tony said he wants to be able to get to that level. I mean it'd be an upside if Manu can be relieved at times. I think that hurt him more that we kept going to him, when other players like Tim and a more confident Parker this year could have been exposed to more 4th quarter handling. It adds to the dynamic of pick your poison. Spurs become too predictable when Pop has his default formula in place. Manu got fouled on that turnover against the Kings, but bibby cheated by leaving Parker and going after Manu-- they expected him to drive and they went for the steal.

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker scola for heinrich and deng.....

Parker scola for Ridnour and Lewis

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think any team in the leagu would want a overrated pg who cant shoot. lets trade him to the pistons for delfino+ben wallace+draft pick

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then who will ran point?

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i dont think any team in the leagu would want a overrated pg who cant shoot. lets trade him to the pistons for delfino+ben wallace+draft pick

by the way coaches voted tp to be an allstar not fans

[Rescueone]

Rescueone - Pop told Tony to shoot AT LEAST 25 times a game in the Dallas series. When I asked Pop a question about Tony's shooting after one of the early games of the series, he said that Tony needed to shoot even more, not less.

If you have a problem with the gameplan, then blame Pop not Tony.PDBM - You have repeatedly said that Tony faded in these playoffs. Tony averaged 21 ppg in the postseason, including 20 ppg vs the Mavs. He only had one bad game vs the Mavs with 12 points. To say he faded is just ing stupid. He was playing with 2 badly bruised thighs and a bad groin pull.

Another people don't get about Tony is that the Spurs game plan is to run the ball through MANU in the 4th quarters. So if Tony doesn't get a lot of points in the 4th, that's because of the system, not because of Tony.

If anyone faded in these playoffs, I guess it was Manu considering that he turned over the ball in several critical situations and when Pop screamed NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL NO FOUL in the huddle in Game 7, Manu fouled.

I know y'all hate Tony but it's really stupid.

Tony didn't cost the Spurs the series. If it wasn't for Tony, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten to 7.

Rebounding and Defense caused the Spurs the series.

I did in an earlier post. It's out of the norm for the Spurs to have a point guard shoot first and pass second without looking for teammates. You, by asking POP that question also seem to think he was shooting too much and not getting teammates involved. Am I right? I think if it wasn't for Duncan, the Spurs wouldn't have gotten to game 7. I can live with sharing the load. If the Spurs had several players score between 15-20 points is worse for the opposing team, because they wouldn't know who the Spurs were planning on going to at critical moments. If everyone was involved in the games instead of one or two players every other game, the Spurs would be in the finals. It's Parker's job to get his teammates touches. Also playing that small ball cost the Spurs in the area of rebounding and defense. To me they looked lost out there playing that way.

[Rescueone]

I don't think Manu Faded in the playoff at all. His foul was a very HUGE MISTAKE, but that doesn't erase the wins he got for us in games 1, 5, and 6. Just the Three he made with 36 seconds left. IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING and UNFORTUNATE, but there was still game to be played it was almost as bad as the Rasheed up, but not quite because we had a lot of time to make the final basket and there was still OT unlike the Pistons.

Anyway I think you should follow your own advice and not try to prop up and defend Tony at the expense of Manu or any other player. It's stupid to blame one player for the series.

Besides I think the complaints about Tony's jumpshots are legit. Pop may have said "I thought he should shoot more! " to a reporter like yourself. But I thnk that's just Pop saving face and not taking the bait to go ,"Oh I thought he should have curbed it a little" and criticize him for making mental mistakes by passing up his teammates shots that's between him and Tony. Anyone with half a brain knows telling a player to shoot more than 25 when they don't have a reliable Jumper like a Kobe or Iverson is just plain stupid. If Kobe shooting more than 25 hurts the team with all his offensive talents >>> than TONY Parker. Wanting Tony to shoot more when it clearly had Mavs taking advantage of that, disrupts the tempo and squanders possessions--and it SHOWED. Pop isn't a Phil Jackson or Pat Riley yet, but I doubt he'd be THAT STUPID.

Agreed!!!

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yep manu can do no wrong only tp and pop

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