No way! This guy looks slow as . Can you all leave the slow lumbering types off the Spurs short list, . . . or long list for that matter? Spurs need youth and athleticism, and I stress ATHLETICISM. No way is this fellow even close to what they need to address.
Just keep looking, and stay tuned.
Say you don't like him because his haircut looks goofy if you will, but don't make up excuses if you've never seen him play, which is obviously the case.
I would think that Herrmann is somewhere on the Spurs' list of free agent targets. The concerns I have center around his shooting and his D. A small forward needs to be able to do both in the Spurs' system.
Personally, I don't even think he's NBA bound, let alone on the Spurs. His athleticism, skill level, and shooting are just fine at the very least, it's his defense and mainly his motivation I have reservations about. He just hasn't been quite the same since the tragic events.
Wow! You stated the obvious. I was commenting on what I have seen in the video link. There is no game footage; it's a dunking contest, and he looks to be really slow. I have seen enough ball players to tell if a guy is athletic enough to handle the kind of responsibilities the Spurs need, and he does not have it.
Many thought Brent Barry was athletic enough to handle certain on the court responsibilities just because he won a slam dunk contest, but I have yet to see him perform any kind of awe inspiring athletic play during the corse of an NBA game during his tenure with the Spurs. Go figure.
Thank you very much.
To be honest, I did fear calling you out for not knowing what you were talking about was a little obvious. I have no problem with anyone not being acquainted with Walter Herrmann, since I don't know a lot of things about a lot of subjects myself, I'm as human as you are. I do have a problem, however, with you acting as if you had the final word after having seen nothing but a clip of not even a basketball game, as you just admitted.
Personally, I'd rather not comment on that which I know nothing about, and I most certainly don't feel like preaching about it. But to each their own I guess, and here you are again, taking pride in coming to a definitive judgment having seen nothing but a few seconds worth of video, pulling the "I have seen enough to know" card.
What you fail to understand is that I have watched him play, and that's why yours comes accross as such a ridiculous comment. Athleticism, which is the reason you cite for dismissing him as a legit prospect, is probably the least of all concerns for those who have seen Walter Herrmann play. He, who has been referred to as "an Argentine Dr. J", is one of the most athletic players on the Argentine NT, and by no means is he "slow as ", as you stated. May I remind you, Manu, Nocioni and Delfino adjusted just fine from an athletic standpoint, and Oberto's athleticism wouldn't be a big problem if he were 5 years younger.
Now, for you to understand that it's not just about me drinking one too many beers and posting random crap out of a single clip (* gulp *), I'll post a few quotes from other sources. For starters, here's a passage from his ACB file:
"Tiene una capacidad atlética asombrosa, con altura, envergadura (largos brazos y grandes manos), coordinación, potencia de salto y un letal primer paso que le hace muy difícil de defender en sus penetraciones"
Here's a translation, if case you can't read Spanish:
(Walter Herrmann) has amazing athleticism, with size, wingspan (long arms and big hands), coordination, leaping skills and a lethal first step that makes him very difficult to guard when driving to the basket.
Here's another quote, this time from DraftExpress:
Unlike most players featured in this article, there's no physical or athletic flaws in Walter Herrmann. At 6-8, he enjoys excellent size for a small forward, paired with a great wingspan and enormous hands that he uses to snatch the ball out of the air like a tennis ball. Besides, he's a strong player and rather explosive. All in all, his body is ready to step onto a NBA court.
Herrmann's main strength rests in his slashing ability. He has a nice first step and some handles (not that good, especially with his off hand) to start moving, while his athleticism (he has won several dunk contests in his career) and big hands do the rest. He can take advantage of his size and strength in the lane.
So, before you come again trying to tell me with a straight face that yours is an authoritative word, please consider that others may actually know what they're talking about, so if you haven't watched all that much, instead of confronting try giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It must have taken some foresight... who would have thought that a slam dunk contest winner at age 24, wouldn't have that kind of athleticism anymore at age 33?
For those of you scoring at home, the Spurs don't exactly have a bevy of possibilities to be their backup small forward.
What I've seen of Hermann, which is 2002 WCs limitedtime and 2004 Olympics, he doesn't seem to share the same high basketball IQ of some of his compatriots.
Athens 2004 Basketball Semi Finals, Argentina-EEUU, 5 minutes, 4° cuarter...
...remember?
He wasn't on the 2002 roster.
I agree with Diego, he is not NBA ready. Some lottery team might spend a million or two making an experiment and singing him, but I don't think he is Spurs material.
can you GET OVER IT for god sake?
take a breath
You just did. If you know so much why are YOU on this site extolling the merrits of your "knowledge" and wisdom on the matter. You should be employed by the Spurs, traveling the world scouting and beneath such mundane matters as trying to illuminate the good Doctor here in this little sub-culture at SprusTalk.
Noone here is a professional at evaluating talent, and all here, with no exceptions, are compelled to give opinions based on what we see and think we know, and how we feel at the time of such. I do not profess to be "THE AUTHORITY," I just come across that way when I type. There is no need to pull any type of card when you see something for what it is and give your opinion about it. Perhaps Walter Herrrmann will get the chance to prove me and others wrong, and make an impact if he should join the League. That's what's so great about sports.
I don't fail to do anything. Obviously YOU covet him as the elusive long, athletic 3 the Spurs are so desperately seeking. I do not; and, based on the video I saw, he is too slow for NBA 3's. We are not talking about Manu, Nocioni, or Delfino and Oberto wasn't that much more athletic 5 years ago. Now, . . . you are en led to disagree; however, your abstention from concurring must be tempered with some humility and not the pious rhetoric with which you think you were compelled to practice.
Sorry, you assumed I drink; but, I do not. I'll give you this, the quotes were nice backup material, but in this case, I'll trust my own instincts and my eyes. Perhaps Walter will proove me wrong.Now, for you to understand that it's not just about me drinking one too many beers and posting random crap out of a single clip (* gulp *), I'll post a few quotes from other sources.
Tell me again. Who did I confront? You called me out with a seriousness akin to having "screwface." I am just making a house call.So, before you come again trying to tell me with a straight face that yours is an authoritative word, please consider that others may actually know what they're talking about, so if you haven't watched all that much, instead of confronting try giving them the benefit of the doubt.
And for the record, I do give others the benefit of the doubt in most cases; but in this case, the highlights posted by Buddy Holly helped with my opin, er ahh, diagnosis. Now take 2 and call me in the morning.
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 06-10-2006 at 05:03 AM. Reason: fixed your quotes
Me? nooo... There are dozens of more knowledgeable posters in these boards. My only merit is, after watching a player on the court a hundred times, being able to tell that he's not "slow as ", "the slow lumbering type", or "not athletic enough". But all it takes is a little bit of work, and not a analytical basketball mind.
Tell you what though, I know this fellow who can tell scouts and long time followers wrong, merely off a short clip worth a few seconds!!!... and not even from a basketball game, but off a contest!!! Here, I have a few of his quotes:
No way! This guy looks slow as . Can you all leave the slow lumbering types off the Spurs short list, . . . or long list for that matter? Spurs need youth and athleticism, and I stress ATHLETICISM. No way is this fellow even close to what they need to address.I don't know about you, but to me that looks like the real deal. Don't know his name though, but if you find out, don't waste any more of his time, and put him in touch with the pros. That kind of skill doesn't come accross every day!Wow! You stated the obvious. I was commenting on what I have seen in the video link. There is no game footage; it's a dunking contest, and he looks to be really slow. I have seen enough ball players to tell if a guy is athletic enough to handle the kind of responsibilities the Spurs need, and he does not have it.
I agree with the general sentiment of this paragraph, but that's not really what I got off the following quotes:
Nah... it must be me though. Chalk it up to my poor reading comprehension skills.
Is that so? I thought the following post in this very same thread would be enough for anyone to figure I wasn't advocating for Herrmann to be targeted:
Guess I was wrong... In that case, for further reassurance, let me say it again: I do not think Walter Herrmann is the answer to that long coveted young, athletic, defensive 3. Ever since tragedy hit his life, he hasn't displayed the kind of motivation, consistency and defensive effort needed to succeed at that level, and I'm not sure he ever will. Furthermore, the urgency of the matter is such that even if none of the above applied, he'd still be far from my shortlist, since I do not believe the Spurs can afford for him to develop and then contribute even if in a year. Does that cover it, or do I have to release a legal do ent?
Gee... sorry, Doc, but after seeing first hand your 1 minute diagnosis, you'll have to excuse me if I go ahead and ask for a second opinion, alright?...
Then perhaps there is a bit of self discovery going on here. You have watched this fellow hundreds of times only to come to the exact same bottom line that I have after only having watched a clip of him showcasing his hops. And you say the reason you've come to this conclusion is "since TRAGEDY hit his life, he hasn't DISPLAYED the kind of MOTIVATION, CONSISTENCY and defensive EFFORT needed to succeed at that level, and I'M NOT SURE HE EVER WILL." Sounds like with a little psychological counseling, accoding to you, he will be a contender.
I would explain it, but it's apparent, you would not understand.Tell you what though, I know this fellow who can tell scouts and long time followers wrong, merely off a short clip worth a few seconds!!!... and not even from a basketball game, but off a contest!!!
I will; but, I won't hold it against you.Nah... it must be me though. Chalk it up to my poor reading comprehension skills.
Interesting use of words, ''develop'' and ''contribute.'' He simply is not ready. No legal do ent necessary.I do not think Walter Herrmann is the answer to that long coveted young, athletic, defensive 3. Ever since tragedy hit his life, he hasn't displayed the kind of motivation, consistency and defensive effort needed to succeed at that level, and I'm not sure he ever will. Furthermore, the urgency of the matter is such that even if none of the above applied, he'd still be far from my shortlist, since I do not believe the Spurs can afford for him to DEVELOP and then CONTRIBUTE even if in a year. Does that cover it, or do I have to release a legal do ent?
That's what everyone should do, afterall, it is a free internet, well, . . . kinda.Gee... sorry, Doc, but after seeing first hand your 1 minute diagnosis, you'll have to excuse me if I go ahead and ask for a second opinion, alright?...
This is not about some high brow basketball analysis. It simply is about weather or not U think this guy can be on the Spurs team and do all the things needed to help them win a le on the court. Based on viewing, wheather it is hundreds of times or a video clip, U see what U see and U drew your conclusion, and of course, I drew mine. Surprise, they are both congruent, for varing reasons.
Now what's the beef?
ariel has seen him play in person, you have seen a low quality streaming video.
That solves everything.
i don't think anyone is saying he's the perfect sf to solve all our problems. the problem is you dismissing him after seeing a grainy video.That solves everything.
OMG! You act as if no opinion can be made after watching a decent quality video. We are not evaluating a slight of hand trick, in which case, video quality would matter. We are watching a guy run and jump repeatedly to dunk a ball. This is not the umteen generation of the "Zapruder film." I guess all video needs to be HD quality for posters to render an opinion?
If so, I'll take note when everyone does the same. Stay tuned, . . .
Last edited by Doc Jerome; 06-11-2006 at 06:48 AM.
That's precisely the interesting thing ofr a franchise like Spurs, Herrman has a LOT of Potential, regarding strenght, athleticism,shooting and skills he was ahead of Nocioni (they have the same age), and he was the MVP of the Spanish league at a young age , before the HORRIBLE tragedy in his life (can you imagine that happening to you? For the records, apart from his direct family dead there, his fiancee was like a second mother to him, she was the one that encouraged him to play basketball at the best of his potential)...
After the car accident, he has never been the same, he show flashes of his great talent, but it seems he needs to come back at his best motivation, I guess that going to the NBA, and having Manu and Oberto as teammates, could be a motivation booster, and I guess the Spurs could get him with a minimal contract, so if it doesn't work, they wouldn't lose more money that the one invested in Jason Hart, Linton Johnson or Sean Marks, for instance, but if they can work out his motivation, they could have another Nocioni at hand...
I seriously doubt that another NBA franchise, with less familiar atmosphere and no argentinian buddies for him, could have quite a chance with this guy....
OMG! You act as if no opinion can be made after watching a decent quality video. We are not evaluating a slight of hand trick, in which case, video quality would matter. We are watching a guy run and jump repeadly to dunk a ball. This is not the umteen generation of the "Zapruder film." I guess all video needs to be HD quality for posters to render an opinion?
If so, I'll take note when everyone does the same. Stay tuned, . . .
exactly. you have seen him repeatedly run and jump to dunk. what kind of judgement can you make from that? one would think someone who had seem him play in a game would have a better grasp of what he can do. and btw, it's sleight of hand.
OK, now you are the site's "Grammar Police.'' You wear many hats my friend, defender of posters and correcting errors. And, btw, every sentence should start with a capital letter.
Stay tuned, . . .or not.
Last edited by Doc Jerome; 06-10-2006 at 12:03 PM.
i guess you have nothing to add. i just pointed your spelling error out, your grammar is fine. if this was any sort of formal communication, i would make sure to capitalize the first word in every sentece.
Enough said.
oh the irony.
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