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Yeah, it'd be great to have Wade in our lineup too, but I think it's safe to say you won't be seeing him or either of the Wallaces here next year.
why is everyone so high on Ben? Sheed is the better one on one defender and he was the one who had the most success on Tim last year in the Finals, Sheed > Ben plus Sheed can hit the 3 and has a decent low post game. A starting line up of Parker, Gino, Bowen, Sheed, and Tim would be killer next season.
Yeah, it'd be great to have Wade in our lineup too, but I think it's safe to say you won't be seeing him or either of the Wallaces here next year.
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why because we SUCK SUCK totaly at rebounding
ben wallace can rebound
[edited in Rasheed]wallace would demand shots
we want to FEED shots into TIm and then have him dish it out for a three pointer. or want us to use our slashers manu and tony to take it to the hole
we suck at center comapretely then we do at 4 (assuming tim refuses toplay center)
that means we have for a center.
Ben wallace plays defense, he rebounds, he won't take shots away from or other players, and most importantly he cannot hit a free throw that makes him spurs materal
I think it is realsitic to want ben wallace. He is avilable there have been trade rumors. He has said he will refuse to play with flip and their GM said we will keep flip. What were chances shaq would leave a championship team like lakers. Now the problem I do see with walalce is you have 2 libalities on Ofense bowen and ben. But then again rasho isn't lighting up the board to much either. I think getting ben just proves we NEED an upgrade at the 3 spot. WHo woudl be my perfect 3. Soem one like sean elliot with nija skills. That is why when Ron Artest was avilable I wanted to go after him. He isn't avilable but I think we need someone to replace bowen espcially if you don't have a dominant scorer in there like ian.
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In the end I think the most likely outcome is we sign javk because he will be cheaper. Reason we traded for nazr was to get rid of roses contract and draft picks that would cost us money. Holt won't pay anyone. So I think the question is whether ben wallace is cheaper than javk not if ben wallce is better. However if we could trade rasho we woudl be able to have both.
Sheed does guard Tim better.
In fact Timmy rapes Ben Wallace one-on-one. But...not every big guy in the league is Tim. And Ben is a top 3 defensive player in the NBA. Not to mention, Sheed is a headcase.
Sheed isn't a free agent.
He's not but we'd have to trade with Detroit to get Ben because we're not signing him for the MLE, so my thought is if we're going that route i'd rather have Sheed then Ben. It's pure fantasy of course but so is ben wallace on the spurs, i just feel Sheed is the better fit and would complement Tim with his outside shooting.
I wouldn't take Sheed over Ben Wallace.
I love Rasheed's game. He's a very unerrated defender, and his offensive game is comparable to a Dirk Nowitzki. That said, he's a headcase. With him and Timmy on the floor at the same time, you'd need a mop to clean up all the whine drops.
Hey, we're not getting Ben Wallace. The starting center next season will be Lithuanian or, um, Slovenian. Not Alabamian.
Listen, guy.
It's the middle of summer and we're not playing anymore. I'll be damned if you don't let me ramble about that will probably never happen.
Would Wallace have played against Dallas?
We should totally get Elton Brand.
That's the other aspect of this discussion I'm not following. How does Wallace enable the Spurs to play "small ball"? Aren't we on the hunt for an athletic big who can play the 4, run the floor, and rebound no matter the pace?
Aren't we?
I doubt it. We wouldn't have gone small if Pop remotely trusted his centers.
But how would Ben not fit that description?
I think Pop trusts Radoslav to do what he's told, for the most part. Pop didn't go with his centers because that ultimately requires TD to guard Nowitzki.
I don't doubt that Wallace might try his luck elsewhere next season but SA? I hope you like games that look like big ten wisconsin performances.
True, Ben seems like more of an Eastern Conference performer. I'm afraid the Eastern Conference is becoming a bit of a dinosaur in terms of NBA le-winning potential. Sorry Shaq, Rasheed, Chaucey, Zo, Kidd and Riles.
It's not so much a dinosaur as a mayfly.True, Ben seems like more of an Eastern Conference performer. I'm afraid the Eastern Conference is becoming a bit of a dinosaur in terms of NBA le-winning potential. Sorry Shaq, Rasheed, Chaucey, Zo, Kidd and Riles.
We're in the hunt for an athletic perimeter guy b/c we don't have a big we can keep on the court.
Wallace is a capable big. If we had him, we wouldn't be going small-ball. Not the whole ing game anyways.
No! That's the media's spin on this whole situation.
KG is frustrated and he has every right to be. Kevin McHale has done an awful job as the GM. But, never once has Garnett come out and publicly demanded a trade. He loves Minnesota and would prefer to spend the rest of his career here. He's not going anywhere-yet!
At this point, McHale has to go for broke and see if he can make a deal for Iverson. Like I said, such a move could rejuvenate both players and give their respective careers the shot in the arm it desperately needs. Such a move would surely meet Garnett's approval and should be enough to convince him that owner Glen Taylor is serious about putting a winning team on the floor. Could they win a le together? Highly unlikely as the West is packed, but I will say this, it would get fannies back in the seats at Target Center where attendance has been lagging and rightfully so.
, if it winds up being a failed experiment after two years, fine. Then and only then should management blow up the team and start from scratch. But, the effort has to be made to get a second star player in here or the Wolves go nowhere.
What they ought to do is fire McHale and find a GM that can actually sign, draft, and trade for players that can play. How badly does the guy have to consistently screw the pooch before he gets replaced? It's like David Stern's real punishment for the Joe Smith deal was forcing you guys to keep McHale or something.
Ben does quite a bit of whining himself. he doesn't whine as much as Sheed does (no one in the NBA does) but he does whine, and he's had a history of problems with his coaches.
All we have to do is tell Ben we'll run some plays for him and he'll sign for the midlevel.
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