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  1. #51
    Best Nuggets Troll Ever NuGGeTs-FaN's Avatar
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    ben wallace had as much impact during these playoffs as miller: zero.

    as for Iigauskas, nah. camby is good and i could see how he could be on this list but one could certainly argue he is not better.

    how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?

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    I Am Jack's Smirking Revenge atxrocker's Avatar
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    how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?
    why? whos name that i mentioned being questionable averages that?

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    how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?
    How many total games has Camby played in his career over his nine year span?








    I'm not saying Camby isn't more talented, but the dude is CONSTANTLY INJURED.

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    why? whos name that i mentioned being questionable averages that?
    you said people could argue Miller is better than Camby but i think there is no way anyone could. Ive seen Miller play and he cant defend a fly or grab a board from a 10 year old.

    Camby is much better than Miller, no possible argument against it

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    Camby is much better than Miller, no possible argument against it
    No one is arguing that. Camby has to be on the court though, that seems to be his only weakness.

  6. #56
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    Back to the topic at hand:

    Found this on the board I was kicked off and he makes some good points............

    xyrin
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    It actually makes a lot of sense. This is what I posted in the topic on the personnel board:


    Posted by Xyrin:
    Some things to consider about the trade

    - Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.

    - McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.

    - If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).

    - This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?

    If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.

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    This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?
    Just FYI ...

    He got fired from another draft site for completely fabricating stuff about an agent. The agent threatened to sue the site (DraftCity, which was a huge draft site at the time associated with RealGM) and Jonathan was let go.

    http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

    I'm not saying this KG rumor is true or not. I actually like Jonathan's work but he does have some credibility issues.
    Last edited by Kori Ellis; 06-14-2006 at 09:46 PM.

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    As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.
    Shaq
    Yao
    Ben Wallace
    Chris Kaman
    Dwight Howard
    Zydrunas Illgauskas
    Tyson Chandler
    Emeka Okafor
    Alonzo Mourning
    Marcus Camby
    Nenê Hilario
    Jeff Foster

    There's probably more

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    This makes no sense. If the Wolves are ever going to trade Garnett you can bet it'll involve some young talents, so they can build for the future. What's the point of trading Garnett for a bunch of decent vets? They won't be any better in the short term or the long term.

    Also if you're going to sign and trade Wells, he would have to actually want to go to Minnesota and I really doubt he wants to play there, especially WITHOUT Garnett.
    Last edited by Winnipeg_Spur; 06-14-2006 at 11:44 PM.

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    Shaq
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    Dwight Howard
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    Emeka Okafor
    Alonzo Mourning
    Marcus Camby
    Nenê Hilario
    Jeff Foster

    There's probably more
    Not Nene nor Foster.....

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    The others you've pointed out, nope. Its not even close. Almost laughable. Check the stats.


    Miller's stat line for the season.
    15.0 pts, 7.8 rbs, 4.7 ast, .7 blk


    Camby's stat line
    12.8 pts, 11.9 rbs, 2.1 ast, 2.4 blk



    My top five centers in order are:

    Shaq
    Wallace
    Yao
    Miller
    Camby
    I'd still take Camby and I don't think it's at all laughable, 50 games with those numbers would be dynomite!

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    The 5 centers I'd take would be Shaq, Camby, Howard, Stoudamire(he does play center for Phoenix), Yao, Wallace, Okafor, Okur when Boozer is healthy plays center, whoops that's more than 5 sorry.

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    Duncan, Yao, Diaw, Shaquille O'Neal, Camby, Ben Wallace, Kaman, Howard, Mourning, Curry, Dampier, Chandler, Boozer...

    I'd rather have Brendan Haywood or Theo Ratliff on my team than Brad ing Miller.

    I'd even give Kwame Brown or Samuel Dalembert near even odds against that slow, soft, injury-prone "All-Star".

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    Since when is Carlos Boozer a center? Or a lot of these guys.

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    I'd do it.

    It makes Sac an instant threat in the West now.

    +Bibby
    +Artest
    +KG
    +Whoever
    +Miller


    That's not a bad lineup at all.

    Between KG and Artest...they could guard just about any position on the floor.

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    this would be a great trade.

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    Too bad it'll never happen.

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    As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.
    Well, strictly centers... Shaq, Yao, Kaman, Wallace, Krstic

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    did rasho post up better playoff stats this season then miller? rasho>miller

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    This makes no sense. If the Wolves are ever going to trade Garnett you can bet it'll involve some young talents, so they can build for the future. What's the point of trading Garnett for a bunch of decent vets? They won't be any better in the short term or the long term.
    The Bulls have the young talent to trade, but can Minnesota fans sit around for another two years and handle sucking again? Bibby/Miller/KT/19th or Bonzi/Miller/KT/19th gives them a decent product to put on the floor. Contenders? No, but at least more watchable then they have been.

    McHale needs a quick fix. He is on thin ice. He also doesn't want to build some young team only to have it given to the new GM when he's fired.

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    This is a done deal.

    Take it to the bank..... I guarantee it…

    My sources inside the Kings org have told me and me alone it is almost done

    My personal contacts inside the Maloof family have verified it as well...

    Three bee reporters told me the same when we did lunch and the gypsy women told my momma if I rub my lucky rabbit foot and lucky squirrel foot every night for a week it will be so...

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    Too bad it'll never happen.
    your team will suck either way so it doesnt really matter.

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    Garnett or no Garnett, the Kings are just one Artest meltdown away from having another ruined season.

    Take that to the bank, my friends!

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    Garnett or no Garnett, the Kings are just one Artest meltdown away from having another ruined season.

    Take that to the bank, my friends!
    talk to me when your team gets some talent, your gm sucks.

  25. #75
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    This is a done deal.

    Take it to the bank..... I guarantee it…

    My sources inside the Kings org have told me and me alone it is almost done

    My personal contacts inside the Maloof family have verified it as well...

    Three bee reporters told me the same when we did lunch and the gypsy women told my momma if I rub my lucky rabbit foot and lucky squirrel foot every night for a week it will be so...
    You do have a good track record right? Didn't you predict the Musselman hiring?


    And don't lie about the rabbit and squirrel feet, you know you cooked those up last night along with that fish you speared in your creek.

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